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It's a hypothetical scenario just like the hypothetical scenario about the new bill and what the Home Secretary could do and nothing more. So no, I won't bite. ;)

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2 minutes ago, apelike said:

It's a hypothetical scenario just like the hypothetical scenario about the new bill and what the Home Secretary could do and nothing more. So no, I won't bite. ;)

That is a cowardly response.

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2 minutes ago, apelike said:

Already mentioned this before but read article 15 on Derogation.

 

https://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/Convention_ENG.pdf

 

At times of war a country can basically do as it likes including suspending many of your human rights, so bill or no bill makes no difference.

Weird that you would want to stick so literally to a hypothetical. Ok, the protest is not about a war, it's about restricting voting rights - they want to set the mimimum age for voting to 42.

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You still don't get it. In a hypothetical situation there is no right or wrong answer so the outcomes become limitless.

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So there would be nothing to stop the government making that protest unlawful by using the Bill as it's currently written. Which we all know anyway.

Edited by Delbow

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In 2003 there were huge demonstrations when the Labour Government took us to war in Iraq; not hypothetical.  Had such a law been on the statute book then what do you think the outcome would have been?  I suggest more rioting and violent clashes between protesters and police!

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1 hour ago, apelike said:

But that is exactly what you are doing and you are also using emotive language to justify your position. It's a bit like the brexit debate trying to make out that those who didn't agree with them and voted for brexit were thick uneducated racists.

 It’s nothing like it, of course.


Not all those who voted for Brexit were thick uneducated racists, by far. But all thick uneducated racists very probably voted for Brexit.

 

That nuance was suppressed in debate in the name of tribal politics, exactly like the nuance between “a light statutory update” by a government riding populism for all it’s worth and the gradual setting up of a police state, is now getting suppressed in debate, still in the name of tribal politics.

 

Must say, that Kool Aid must taste pretty sweet. I don’t think Vlad P was getting away with half as much, a year into his first Presidential term.

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It's all so short sighted as well. This seems to be mainly in response to XR, and anthropogenic climate change is fact, and denial of it is superstition. We have a very limited time to avoid catastrophe, but this government seems determined to squeeze the last few years of profit out of the dwindling number of years in which business as usual is possible. After that, everything falls apart. They really are happy to throw future generations under a bus for their own comfort now.

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10 minutes ago, Delbow said:

It's all so short sighted as well. This seems to be mainly in response to XR, and anthropogenic climate change is fact, and denial of it is superstition. We have a very limited time to avoid catastrophe, but this government seems determined to squeeze the last few years of profit out of the dwindling number of years in which business as usual is possible. After that, everything falls apart. They really are happy to throw future generations under a bus for their own comfort now.

I agree that it is short sighted, but the Tories have never made any secret that they are the party that supports big business, and deregulated markets and that means profits at any cost.

When will people get this?

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1 minute ago, Anna B said:

I agree that it is short sighted, but the Tories have never made any secret that they are the party that supports big business, and deregulated markets and that means profits at any cost.

When will people get this?

Erm...have you taken a look at UK plc lately?
 

Because I think that narrative has changed a fair bit.
 

Try “hedge-funds stuffed with disaster capitalists” instead. These are to ‘big business and markets (deregulated and not)’, what wolf packs are to farming of any livestock whatsoever: the sort of deal wherein you can only profit once, by destroying the underlying asset, then move onto the next.

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Loved old Boris in prime ministers questions, quoting rioters as saying 'Kill the Bill,'  meaning a call to attack the police, when in all probability it could just as easily mean drop this legislation, (kill the preliminary draft ie. 'bill')

This the sort of misunderstanding / misdirection that causes problems and shows how carefully a bill must be drafted and scrutinized before it is passed, to prevent misinterpretation of the rules and context.

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