Sheffield Left Out

[tinfoilhat 11]

Be interesting how many of these places were getting EU money (They ain't getting that anymore).

[Magilla 510]

1 hour ago, Resident said:

If you don't vote, you don't get counted. If you spoil your ballot paper, you don't get counted. If you don't vote you have NO RIGHT to moan about the result. 

Perhaps, but you can bet your life they will moan about the consequences of that result, which leaves Boris... and leave voters... in a bit of a bind.

[Flanker7 20]

3 hours ago, Resident said:

Literally came to post exactly this. I have seen it many times where the LOSING side co-opt non-voters to try to make it look like the vote wasn't democratic/illegal/ignored.

If you don't vote, you don't get counted. If you spoil your ballot paper, you don't get counted. If you don't vote you have NO RIGHT to moan about the result. 

You are not the person who says who has rights and who does not. Its just your opinion.

 

If you spoil your ballot paper you have made the same effort as any other voter to attend the polling station. AND your efforts are counted AND recorded on the official result    AND  you have every right to moan about the result. IMHO.

16 hours ago, nightrider said:

Stocksbridge has a Tory MP, so hardly surprising they have been rewarded. If other constituencies want investment its pretty clear what they need to do at the next GE (unless they think someone else might win).

There is logic to the above comment. Such that it is, it fits with the Tory ethos , self, self, self.

The trouble is that there are very few policies that can be reduced to there effect on Stocksbridge and Stocksbridge alone. Anyone with a wider view of the city/county/region/country/globe/humanity  needs to take other things into consideration.

[AKAMD 0]

BadgerBodge and Resident, I am not questioning the result of the referendum but the system we used to make such an important decision.  Binary votes are divisive, as demonstrated by this referendum.  It wasn't legally binding but having given his word, David Cameron had no option but to accept it, then jump ship to leave his mess for somebody else to sort out whilst he went of to make huge sums of money with after dinner speeches, like many of his predecessors.  Frankly, the threshold for the decision should have been 51% of the electorate, not those who voted, and yes, voting should have been compulsory. 

[tinfoilhat 11]

8 minutes ago, West 77 said:

They weren't getting EU money before because the UK was a net contributor to the EU budget. What they were getting was UK taxpayers money. 

But they aren't getting that now are they (I'm thinking Cornwall specifically)

[AKAMD 0]

South Yorkshire benefited hell of lot from EU funding, which would not have been forthcoming from national government.

[Organgrinder 1,946]

2 minutes ago, AKAMD said:

South Yorkshire benefited hell of lot from EU funding, which would not have been forthcoming from national government.

Can't say I noticed all this EU money being spent.

The money hasn't gone forever. Now we have left, Boris has it and we can't keep crying about Europe for the rest of our lives.

They can't even arrange the vaccinations properly anyway.

[BadgerBodge 0]

16 hours ago, AKAMD said:

BadgerBodge and Resident, I am not questioning the result of the referendum but the system we used to make such an important decision.  Binary votes are divisive, as demonstrated by this referendum.  It wasn't legally binding but having given his word, David Cameron had no option but to accept it, then jump ship to leave his mess for somebody else to sort out whilst he went of to make huge sums of money with after dinner speeches, like many of his predecessors.  Frankly, the threshold for the decision should have been 51% of the electorate, not those who voted, and yes, voting should have been compulsory. 

Would you have preferred that DC ignored the result of the referendum ? Considering he was quoted as wanting to remain ? How rare that a politician keeps their promise !

Because politicians ALWAYS keep their promises don't they ? "no option but to accept it" really ? He could have said the result wasn't "legally binding" How many politicians do you know ?

Most senior Politicians  in recent times have joined the lucrative speakers circuit. How do you think "call me Tony" and Gordon "Golden" Brown keep busy ?

Voting isn't compulsory and shouldn't be in a true democracy.

What if enough people spoiled their ballot paper ( as they were annoyed at being forced to vote ) resulting in the "yes" or "no" getting less than 51% overall ? ( 45% yes , 45% no, 10% spoilt ballots ? )

What happens if it's not a yes/no referendum but a general Election with multiple "options" ?

Every Political party that has won a general election and gone on to form a government in the last 30 years has done so with less than a 45% majority. Meaning over half of voters didn't get the government they wanted.

Democracy is far from perfect, but until something more representative is created, it's all we've got.

 

59 minutes ago, AKAMD said:

South Yorkshire benefited hell of lot from EU funding, which would not have been forthcoming from national government.

Do you have a link to that info ? I'd like to see the figures.

 

thanks

[butlers 259]

Voting should be compulsory.

 

For big decisions in the national life a simple majority is not good enough ,think most european ones set a higher threshold

[MrAllen2K21 0]

12 minutes ago, butlers said:

Voting should be compulsory.

 

For big decisions in the national life a simple majority is not good enough ,think most european ones set a higher threshold

Won't happen, for various reasons.

 

 

[butlers 259]

Think the Cameron government was the least representative ever, was barely over 30% of the electorate

 

Edited March 8, 2021 by butlers

[El Cid 214]

1 hour ago, butlers said:

Think the Cameron government was the least representative ever, was barely over 30% of the electorate

 

When you add the Liberal Democrats that makes it 54%, more representative than most in recent times.

In 2019 people voted for Brexit, not Boris, but they had to take both.

He is now trying to bribe the electorate with millions if they vote Tory. So money does not go to where its needed, but to areas with Tory MPs.

That is even worse than selling council houses to bribe the electorate.