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Why Is Albert Terrace Road Off Infirmary Road Closed

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3 hours ago, Bigal1 said:

so much for  Intelligent traffic management

 

5 months is not exactly temporary just another demonstration by he council that they are all against pollution unless of course it involves them doing something

Nothing to do with intelligent traffic management. Urban traffic control systems can change the timings on traffic signals but they can’t change the way the junction operates, which is embedded in the programming of the signal controller.
 

How much pollution do we think that following the very short diversion is actually causing?

 

The signals are working exactly as they did before, so no extra pollution there.

 

If it’s a collapsed sewer, it’s not the councils fault that this has happened, or that it’s taken the owners of the infrastructure a while to fix it.

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4 hours ago, Planner1 said:

Nothing to do with intelligent traffic management. Urban traffic control systems can change the timings on traffic signals but they can’t change the way the junction operates, which is embedded in the programming of the signal controller.
 

How much pollution do we think that following the very short diversion is actually causing?

 

The signals are working exactly as they did before, so no extra pollution there.

 

If it’s a collapsed sewer, it’s not the councils fault that this has happened, or that it’s taken the owners of the infrastructure a while to fix it.

Maybe SCC could/should put pressure on whoever responsibility it is to carry out the repair ?

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4 minutes ago, dan2802 said:

Maybe SCC could/should put pressure on whoever responsibility it is to carry out the repair ?

I understand from comments earlier in this topic that SCC have been informed some time ago that repairs have been completed.

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Would it be particulary time consuming to just put a hood over the infirmary road lights (townbound) until the repair is complete?

 

Cheap, quick and takes no time to put up AND take down.

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The traffic lights at the junction still have a purpose.

a-it allows the trams to run through knowing that they are protected by lights.

b-it enables pedestrians to cross Infirmary Road safely and to access the tram platforms.

d-it slows traffic down  which are a) idiots b) being confused by sat nav c)confronted by unexpected hazard and road works signs. 

d-the stop lines on Albert Terrace Road are solid and set back too far from Infirmary Road for a clear view to the left.

Removing the lights would require new road markings (stop/give way) at the actual junction and reminders of a new layout.

 

 

 

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19 hours ago, Planner1 said:

Nothing to do with intelligent traffic management. Urban traffic control systems can change the timings on traffic signals but they can’t change the way the junction operates, which is embedded in the programming of the signal controller.
 

How much pollution do we think that following the very short diversion is actually causing?

 

The signals are working exactly as they did before, so no extra pollution there.

 

If it’s a collapsed sewer, it’s not the councils fault that this has happened, or that it’s taken the owners of the infrastructure a while to fix it.

Unnecessary pollution is being caused by the fact that traffic heading towards town are being stopped for no reason and could be avoided. An interesting question about the diversion had not thought about that.

 

So that's all right nobodies fault that after 5 months it is still not repaired

 

I too had thought about the simple solution of a hood but discounted it as pedestrians would still wish to cross safely but if we had intelligent trafic management then that would have still been possible as the lights would only turn red at the request of pedestrians (cyclists?) wishing to cross.

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3 hours ago, Bigal1 said:

I too had thought about the simple solution of a hood but discounted it as pedestrians would still wish to cross safely but if we had intelligent trafic management then that would have still been possible as the lights would only turn red at the request of pedestrians (cyclists?) wishing to cross.

Traffic signal controllers can be configured in a number of ways.

 

One of these is to have ultimate flexibility and let the actual traffic and pedestrian demands dictate the stage sequence, at least at quiet times of the day, like evening and overnight.

 

There is a downside to this approach, it involves having a lot of potential options of which approaches get a green signal and what sequence the signals actually follow. I recall a situation where a junction was configured like this and 99.99% of the time, it used to follow a particular sequence, because the traffic demands were usually in place to make it do that. However very rarely, because of the prevailing traffic conditions, it did something different, which wasn’t in itself unsafe, but drivers were accustomed to the normal sequence. This normal sequence meant that drivers turning right on a main road didn’t have to concern themselves with opposing traffic, as that traffic stream normally got a red when their ahead movement got green. On rare occasions, usually late at night, they both (the ahead movements) got green and there were occasional collisions as right turning drivers clearly didn’t expect to be in conflict with the other movement. 
 

So, with safety in mind, the engineers tend to have signals working in a fairly fixed sequence, with just the green timings altering with time of day / day of week. It might not be the most efficient, but it avoids drivers getting “confused” which seems to happen more and more as time goes on.

 

Theres also another angle to the debate about covering over the signal heads on an approach that’s not needed due to roadworks / closures. Vandals have been known to remove the covers, which can cause problems.

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Yet another hole opened, this time on Buckingham Street Burngreave.

opened up Monday around 08:00, no one been seen there since, 4 days and counting.

any other time wasting holes elsewhere around Sheffield's already potholed road system?

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44 minutes ago, MunXy said:

Yet another hole opened, this time on Buckingham Street Burngreave.

opened up Monday around 08:00, no one been seen there since, 4 days and counting.

any other time wasting holes elsewhere around Sheffield's already potholed road system?

4 days and you are complaining!

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Work has started in earnest with extensive excavation.

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Work is complete and the road is now open as normal. 

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At last!

 

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