Consultation For A Low Traffic Neighbourhood For Neepsend And Kelham Island

[RollingJ 1,999]

19 minutes ago, Bargepole23 said:

Agreed. Never really took of that Netherlands cycling infrastructure....oh hang on, it was and remains a resounding success.

The majority of the Netherlands are somewhat flatter than a large part of the UK - wonder if that might be part of the reason?

Edited February 15, 2021 by RollingJ

[nightrider 13]

38 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

The majority of the Netherlands are somewhat flatter than a large part of the UK - wonder if that might be part of the reason?

https://cyclingfallacies.com/en/7/it’s-too-hilly-here

[RollingJ 1,999]

No doubt that comes from a 'pro-cyclist' site?

[Bargepole23 337]

1 hour ago, RollingJ said:

No doubt that comes from a 'pro-cyclist' site?

To get back to what Amsterdam and many other cities have done, they have removed cars from the environments where people want to stroll, to sit and eat and drink, they have planted trees, they have provided space for outside seating. All in all, a far nicer and cleaner environment to spend a bit of leisure time, or to live for that matter.

[RollingJ 1,999]

2 minutes ago, Bargepole23 said:

To get back to what Amsterdam and many other cities have done, they have removed cars from the environments where people want to stroll, to sit and eat and drink, they have planted trees, they have provided space for outside seating. All in all, a far nicer and cleaner environment to spend a bit of leisure time, or to live for that matter.

I understand that, @Bargepole23- but unless people live  in those areas, or can walk there, they are unlikely to increase footfall for the businesses that exist - so you still have to allow transport of some kind, and not everyone is a cyclist.

[Mr Bloke 1,445]

18 minutes ago, Bargepole23 said:

To get back to what Amsterdam and many other cities have done, they have removed cars from the environments where people want to stroll, to sit and eat and drink, they have planted trees, they have provided space for outside seating. All in all, a far nicer and cleaner environment to spend a bit of leisure time, or to live for that matter.

Hmmm...

... so you mean a bit like Venice then?

 

I can hardly wait for Sheffield's own forward-thinkers to announce a 'consultation' on their future plans to run gondolas on the River Don.

[RollingJ 1,999]

3 minutes ago, Mr Bloke said:

Hmmm...

... so you mean a bit like Venice then?

 

I can hardly wait for Sheffield's own forward-thinkers to announce a 'consultation' on their future plans to run gondolas on the River Don.

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16 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

but unless people live  in those areas, or can walk there,

they do , and they can.

16 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

you still have to allow transport of some kind

cars, buses, bikes, scooters, walking, etc. all still very much allowed.

[Bargepole23 337]

35 minutes ago, Mr Bloke said:

Hmmm...

... so you mean a bit like Venice then?

 

I can hardly wait for Sheffield's own forward-thinkers to announce a 'consultation' on their future plans to run gondolas on the River Don.

Shush now, the grown-ups are talking.

 

Simply a traffic-free, pleasant, pedestrianised area with some trees and tables. Much like you find in many parts of other cities.

55 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

I understand that, @Bargepole23- but unless people live  in those areas, or can walk there, they are unlikely to increase footfall for the businesses that exist - so you still have to allow transport of some kind, and not everyone is a cyclist.

Or take a tram or a bus or a taxi or drive.

[Resident 1,185]

4 hours ago, Bargepole23 said:

To get back to what Amsterdam and many other cities have done, they have removed cars from the environments where people want to stroll, to sit and eat and drink, they have planted trees, they have provided space for outside seating. All in all, a far nicer and cleaner environment to spend a bit of leisure time, or to live for that matter.

They've also introduced laws and made inclusions to existing traffic laws for cyclists in Holland. 

 

The chief one being that where there is cycling infrastructure in existence it MUST be used by cyclists. Eg if a cycle path runs parallel to a road then cyclists are prohibited from using the road. 

 

This is something that everytime it's mentioned in the UK cyclists start frothing at the mouth like rabid animals in opposition. 

 

It's almost as if cyclists don't want to share or have any form of restrictions yet expect everyone else to bow down. 

[altus 537]

3 minutes ago, Resident said:

They've also introduced laws and made inclusions to existing traffic laws for cyclists in Holland. 

 

The chief one being that where there is cycling infrastructure in existence it MUST be used by cyclists. Eg if a cycle path runs parallel to a road then cyclists are prohibited from using the road. 

 

This is something that everytime it's mentioned in the UK cyclists start frothing at the mouth like rabid animals in opposition. 

 

It's almost as if cyclists don't want to share or have any form of restrictions yet expect everyone else to bow down. 

If the quality of cycling infrastructure in this country was as good as that in Holland you'd find that largely disappear. If you continue to build it too narrow, make cyclists give way when passing every side road to cars turning into those side roads, etc., you'll continue to get complaints.

[Resident 1,185]

2 hours ago, altus said:

If the quality of cycling infrastructure in this country was as good as that in Holland you'd find that largely disappear. If you continue to build it too narrow, make cyclists give way when passing every side road to cars turning into those side roads, etc., you'll continue to get complaints.

Where does cyclist have to give way to a side road, other than anywhere in which all other traffic does the same? 

 

Same old tired argument "I shouldn't have to slow down and give way like other traffic, I'm a cyclist, I should be exempt from any rules."