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9 minutes ago, Bargepole23 said:

Most highway noise is from tyre noise, according to a quick Google, which increases with speed, regardless of gear selection, and is the dominant noise generator in the speed range 30-70mph. 

That's it sorted then, let's push for 80mph. Less time in the local area, means less pollution doesn't it :hihi:

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On 03/02/2021 at 09:54, ads36 said:

people live next to the parkway.

 

50's much quieter than 70.

 

 

the parkway isn't built to motorway standards : some of the joining slip-roads are short, some are uphill, some are short *and* uphill. this means some of the joining traffic can't get up to 70.  (some vehicles struggle to accelerate to 50 by the time they're forced to join)

 

Traffic merging, with only 2 lanes, and a big speed differential, is dangerous. 

 

50's fine with me.

 

 

I can manage 70 on the slip roads in my sister's 1.2 hatchback in the two slips in the 70mph.

 

Those that don't is a driver issue not the vehicle (other than hgvs and pcvs) 

 

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The slip road from Handsworth on to the parkway, heading towards Rotherham is particularly short. For the first half of this short slip road, parkway traffic cannot  be seen as you are much lower.  If there are cars on the parkway not leaving enough distance between  the vehicle in front it increases the hazard for the joining traffic. It certainly could be improved.

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13 hours ago, Janus said:

The slip road from Handsworth on to the parkway, heading towards Rotherham is particularly short. For the first half of this short slip road, parkway traffic cannot  be seen as you are much lower.  If there are cars on the parkway not leaving enough distance between  the vehicle in front it increases the hazard for the joining traffic. It certainly could be improved.

That slip is ~975ft long. For reference the slip at J33 for M1 North is ~1005ft, so less than a bus lengths difference. Vehicles joining the parkway are visible for the last 550ft of that and should be anticipating joining traffic.

There is nothing wrong with the junction or is layout. What we have here is a driver issue, both the joining driver refusing to put the accelerator down & the driver already on the carriageway and failing to anticipate joining traffic and being prepared for the situation.

Other than being repaired, we don't need better roads, we need better drivers. 

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1 hour ago, Resident said:

That slip is ~975ft long. For reference the slip at J33 for M1 North is ~1005ft, so less than a bus lengths difference.

The slip road onto the M1 North is not uphill, and forms its on lane on the M1 so there's no need for traffic to merge

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That's a good point Dave_the_m.

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On 07/02/2021 at 09:11, Resident said:

That slip is ~975ft long. For reference the slip at J33 for M1 North is ~1005ft, so less than a bus lengths difference. Vehicles joining the parkway are visible for the last 550ft of that and should be anticipating joining traffic.

There is nothing wrong with the junction or is layout. What we have here is a driver issue, both the joining driver refusing to put the accelerator down & the driver already on the carriageway and failing to anticipate joining traffic and being prepared for the situation.

Other than being repaired, we don't need better roads, we need better drivers. 

"we need better drivers" - I agree.

To prove that your view of joining such a road is not just macho, gung-ho and simplistic, you'll be able to put in writing what you would tell a novice driver to do on this slip-road.  It is, after all, just a short drive from the DVSA test centre.

- what speed to get to before merging, if there is an optimum speed.

- does this vary and how would you know?

- what gear would you recommend to be in for flexibility and responsiveness prior to merging?

- how would you guide the pupil through his/her lack of vision on the carriageway until quite late on?

- how much time do you have at the end to merge at the speed you recommend.  Is it sometimes better to have a little more time than a minimum and to be able to respond flexibly to the road and traffic conditions?  How would you know?

- how would would you advise your novice when following another vehicle up the slip road ( a car, a van, a truck)

- what is their speed limit or acceleration pattern/power?

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19 hours ago, DT Ralge said:

"we need better drivers" - I agree.

To prove that your view of joining such a road is not just macho, gung-ho and simplistic, you'll be able to put in writing what you would tell a novice driver to do on this slip-road.  It is, after all, just a short drive from the DVSA test centre.

- what speed to get to before merging, if there is an optimum speed.

- does this vary and how would you know?

- what gear would you recommend to be in for flexibility and responsiveness prior to merging?

- how would you guide the pupil through his/her lack of vision on the carriageway until quite late on?

- how much time do you have at the end to merge at the speed you recommend.  Is it sometimes better to have a little more time than a minimum and to be able to respond flexibly to the road and traffic conditions?  How would you know?

- how would would you advise your novice when following another vehicle up the slip road ( a car, a van, a truck)

- what is their speed limit or acceleration pattern/power?

All would have been taught by a competant driving instructor. Sadly these days they seem to be thin on the ground, teaching just enough to pass the test and not teaching to drive. 

 

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On 09/02/2021 at 11:19, Resident said:

All would have been taught by a competant driving instructor. Sadly these days they seem to be thin on the ground, teaching just enough to pass the test and not teaching to drive. 

 

You may or may not be right about "teaching to pass" - but that's quite a sweeping statement on ADI competence levels.   That's based on your personal knowledge of just how many ADI's?

From where I'm stood, I can take an informed view. Maybe you can, too.  I note, though, that on the subject of "joining dual-carriageways" you have backed away from answering my "what would you teach?" question.

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