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1 hour ago, Anna B said:

Nobody is saying there shouldn't be checks and some training, but this is over the top.

How many people are going to die whilst waiting for someone to complete this extensive and largely unnecessary training? These are mostly already qualified, professional medics. Will we still be waiting 2 years from now?

 Meanwhile the economy tanks and people die. 

This is an emergency. 

Can this government not move faster on anything? We are constantly drowning in red tape and bureaucracy.

Why are you so sure that this training is over the top and unnecessary.

 

We are talking about diversity here. - probably the most spotlighted and contentious issue right now.    We are talking about data protecton and data control - something which a mistake could leave to fines going into the millions of pounds.  We are talking about vulnerable adult and child safeguarding procedures and radicalisation identifiers - something which is clearly a key issue which those administering injections into patients needs to be wholly alert to and be aware of the signs of duress, abuse, control, triggers or extreme views. 

 

A wrong move and someone could die from this.   A step out of place and someone could be given a jab against their will opening up a whole range of outrage and litigation.   A slip of the tounge and the whole world of race issues may implode.    That red tape is there for good reason and the amount the NHS has to spend on litigation shows very clearly why. 

 

This is not just about simply jabbing a needle into someone's arm.  If it was any village idiot off the street could be shown how to do it.

 

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1 hour ago, Anna B said:

Nobody is saying there shouldn't be checks and some training, but this is over the top.

How many people are going to die whilst waiting for someone to complete this extensive and largely unnecessary training? These are mostly already qualified, professional medics. Will we still be waiting 2 years from now?

 Meanwhile the economy tanks and people die. 

This is an emergency. 

Can this government not move faster on anything? We are constantly drowning in red tape and bureaucracy.

What is over the top? What is in the the application and process that you have seen that is causing  a problem?

Are you objecting to safeguarding, data protection or government policy on counter terrorism

If an applicant are "...already qualified, professional medics" they will have been required to do all these already and will be current. All they do register.

If they  are retired, they are no longer "professional" and will need to be brought up to speed-a few hours online ask any teacher. They will also need a refresher in the medical techniques.

 

As the supply of vaccine will increases to a peak over the next months, the requirement for vaccinators/immunisers will grow and at some point in time the paid volunteers will be required - lets get something right even if the government cannot and lets not panic and use emotive words.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, ECCOnoob said:

I do argue that they shouldn't  be easily put off.  In fact two "high level" nurses working up until very recently should be well aware of the reasons why such training is a  necessity and consequencies of it not being fulfilled.  

 

The fact that they "are put off" despite leaving the industry quite recently,  frankly says more about them and their attitude to the roles.    In that circumstance, no I dont feel their input would be helpful at all.     One would wonder though managerial eyes what other training/protocols/procedures they feel 'offputting' or just some waste of time tick box exercise which they subsequently may risk ignoring during their immunisation work. 

 

 

3 recent comments quoted from newspaper. 

"Insulting" from a retired consultant.

"Spent 2 full days already doing application, and not even half way through. Have enough to do without this, won't be continuing." recently retired nurse.

"I applied back in March to volunteer and heard nothing until November, then an email inviting me on a largely unhelpful online course, which I completed. Then nothing. No further contact whatsoever. Appalled that at a time when they are supposedly over run with cases they have failed to utilise the help offered." retired doctor. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Annie Bynnol said:

What is over the top? What is in the the application and process that you have seen that is causing  a problem?

Are you objecting to safeguarding, data protection or government policy on counter terrorism

If an applicant are "...already qualified, professional medics" they will have been required to do all these already and will be current. All they do register.

If they  are retired, they are no longer "professional" and will need to be brought up to speed-a few hours online ask any teacher. They will also need a refresher in the medical techniques.

 

As the supply of vaccine will increases to a peak over the next months, the requirement for vaccinators/immunisers will grow and at some point in time the paid volunteers will be required - lets get something right even if the government cannot and lets not panic and use emotive words.

 

 

 

I don't know how we managed when young nurses with no degree education, counter terrorism or diversity training etc used to give injections on a regular basis....

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2 hours ago, Anna B said:

I don't know how we managed when young nurses with no degree education, counter terrorism or diversity training etc used to give injections on a regular basis....

... and then some statistician, manager and trainer of nurses comes along and  tries to organise the health care for thousands-"Florence Nightingale," they cried out "what does she know about emergencies!"

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3 hours ago, Anna B said:

I don't know how we managed when young nurses with no degree education, counter terrorism or diversity training etc used to give injections on a regular basis....

Perhaps in a pandemic some of the new PC rules can be put to one side?

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1 minute ago, Annie Bynnol said:

... and then some statistician, manager and trainer of nurses comes along and  tries to organise the health care for thousands-"Florence Nightingale," they cried out "what does she know about emergencies!"

We are only going back to 2009 actually, which is when nursing became an all graduate profession. 

Before that nurses still did an excellent job without a degree. 

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And if course if rules were waived and an issue arose would undercut trust in vacinne uptake which we can not afford to happen.

The nhs will manage this unprecedented situation in good order ,part of this internet age is people's total lack of patience thinking everything is but a click away from solving

 

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18 hours ago, butlers said:

And if course if rules were waived and an issue arose would undercut trust in vacinne uptake which we can not afford to happen.

The nhs will manage this unprecedented situation in good order ,part of this internet age is people's total lack of patience thinking everything is but a click away from solving

 

It's not a question of patience, it's a question of people dying. There are thousands of volunteers out there fully capable of giving life saving vaccinations. The sooner we are all vaccinated the better. It will stop people dying from this horrible disease, save the NHS from being overwhelmed and save the economy.

 

If a building is on fire, do you wait for the fireman to do a diversity training course before they are allowed to put it out?

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Just heard a radio interview with St Johns official, all their volunteers do these course/refreshers so at least they should be ready to go. Also heard Matt Hancock promising to review volunteer training requirements. On the down side Radio 4 World at One reports shortage of glass vials slowing down vaccination production!

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33 minutes ago, Anna B said:

It's not a question of patience, it's a question of people dying. There are thousands of volunteers out there fully capable of giving life saving vaccinations. The sooner we are all vaccinated the better. It will stop people dying from this horrible disease, save the NHS from being overwhelmed and save the economy.

 

If a building is on fire, do you wait for the fireman to do a diversity training course before they are allowed to put it out?

What "...diversity course..." are you referring  to?

Is it on the Public Health England, Government or NHS training providers website?

How long does it take to complete?

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Annie Bynnol said:

What "...diversity course..." are you referring  to?

Is it on the Public Health England, Government or NHS training providers website?

How long does it take to complete?

 

 

 

'Equality, diversity and Human Rights' required as mentioned in post 1. Also quoted as required in newspapers.

No idea what platform, or how long it takes, but assume if you don't have it you will not currently be considered qualified to vaccinate people.

 

19 hours ago, butlers said:

And if course if rules were waived and an issue arose would undercut trust in vacinne uptake which we can not afford to happen.

The nhs will manage this unprecedented situation in good order ,part of this internet age is people's total lack of patience thinking everything is but a click away from solving

 

Nothing to do with patience, but consider this, if we didn't have the internet, would doing all these courses still be a requirement? Would volunteers have to gather in classrooms during a pandemic to do them? Or would sense prevail and volunteers be taken on simply on their merits, experience and ability to vaccinate?

 

 

 

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32 minutes ago, Anna B said:

'Equality, diversity and Human Rights' required as mentioned in post 1. Also quoted as required in newspapers.

No idea what platform, or how long it takes, but assume if you don't have it you will not currently be considered qualified to vaccinate people.

 

Nothing to do with patience, but consider this, if we didn't have the internet, would doing all these courses still be a requirement? Would volunteers have to gather in classrooms during a pandemic to do them? Or would sense prevail and volunteers be taken on simply on their merits, experience and ability to vaccinate?

 

 

 

AnnaB - once again, I have to agree with you.😀

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