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A while ago I was talking to some people who were establishing a new shop in Scarborough. They were saying the council were allowing them 6 months free (of rates? rent? not sure what,) and then they paid 50% for the following 6 months to give them time to get established because they were in a regeneration zone. So I assume some things can be manipulated at will by the council, in Scarborough at least.

 

Didn't we use to have something called 'enterprise zones' or some such?

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On 15/11/2020 at 21:53, Longcol said:

The government set business rates.

 

https://www.gov.uk/introduction-to-business-rates/how-your-rates-are-calculated

 

"Business rates are worked out based on your property’s ‘rateable value’.

This is its open market rental value on 1 April 2015, based on an estimate by the Valuation Office Agency (VOA).

You can estimate your business rates by multiplying the rateable value by the correct ‘multiplier’ (an amount set by central government)."

I get this, but it does appear that there are also other factors that can affect things  - as per other posts.  What about the John Lewis situation, where it appears they "did a deal" to stay put? 

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So the scaffolding has come down to reveal the refurbishment to the facade to the new student flats. 

https://www.thestar.co.uk/business/consumer/chapel-walk-scaffolding-finally-comes-down-people-arent-happy-results-3037856?amp#aoh=16057337276082&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s

 

Love the comment that it looks like a 'Site cabin' but as the developer who took over the project says, the design was approved previously.  

 

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On 17/11/2020 at 02:35, Thirsty Relic said:

I get this, but it does appear that there are also other factors that can affect things  - as per other posts.  What about the John Lewis situation, where it appears they "did a deal" to stay put? 

AFAIK the council bought the lease on the JL building so as landlord they can "do a deal" on rent (not business rates). I'd imagine there is a limit on the number of leases the council can afford to buy - and few will be as strategically important as JL.

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On 12/11/2020 at 18:26, abbeyedges said:

In the 1960's it had a Carnaby Street feel about it. 

Very trendy at the time,  It used to have some really nice shops and a great coffee bar.

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Chapel Walk used to be the place to be seen in the 60/70's. Sadly these days it is the place not to be seen; a dismal threatening ghetto.

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On 12/11/2020 at 19:32, RJRB said:

Was it The Side Walk then The Roman Room,or vice versa?

Wasn't the Roman Room downstairs at the Sidewalk? Harry Hart owned the Sidewalk if I remember correctly

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On 20/11/2020 at 15:03, sedith said:

Chapel Walk used to be the place to be seen in the 60/70's. Sadly these days it is the place not to be seen; a dismal threatening ghetto.

No it's not. Lets not get hysterical here.

 

Yes it's a shadow of its former self. Yes it has lost some of its prestige. Yes one may be able to argue with it is slightly run down. But, that is very different to the image you are trying to portray.

 

It's just a shopping street which is facing exactly the same difficulties and hardships over the past decade as any other major High Street. Even the mighty prestigious Oxford Street in London is a shadow of its former glory days.

 

Chapel Walk, lovely as it may be, was never exactly Burlington Arcade or Bond Street.   

 

Now unfortunately its in the wrong place. Retail in the city has evolved to become more compact and more targeted to have any chance of survival. It can no longer be this sprawling meandering parade of endless shops like it used to be. That scenario is reserved for modern day shopping malls.

 

I will certainly agree that Chapel Walk needs to evolve to cater for its new type of tenants which is going to be more catering for residential and mixed use occupiers.  It also needs to cater to a new breed of shopper taste, trends and demands. Harping on about the glory days is not going to help that.

 

Irrelevant, let's not try and pretend that its turned into Sheffield version of skid row.   That is just nonsense

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Chapel Walk is ideal for small independent traders, especially new start ups with some new ideas offering something different, and, being just off fargate, they would be in a good position. 

It's beholden on the council to encourage his sort of thing as it seems to be what people want, and could be a great assett to Sheffield city centre. 

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1 hour ago, Anna B said:

Chapel Walk is ideal for small independent traders, especially new start ups with some new ideas offering something different, and, being just off fargate, they would be in a good position. 

It's beholden on the council to encourage his sort of thing as it seems to be what people want, and could be a great assett to Sheffield city centre. 

Agree & surely as previous businesses appear to to either be moving away or shutting down altogether in that area, the rateable value of the retail outlets must be falling & therefore the business rates on the retail outlets muat also be in line to fall?

 

It'd be great to see a load of independent, (especially local retailers), selling different products down Chapel Walk. 

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I think Dave Berry used to frequent the coffee bar on a Saturday early 60's. Jo Cocker preferred the pub opposite the town hall (forgotten the name).

 

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On 21/11/2020 at 15:25, ECCOnoob said:

No it's not. Lets not get hysterical here.

 

Yes it's a shadow of its former self. Yes it has lost some of its prestige. Yes one may be able to argue with it is slightly run down. But, that is very different to the image you are trying to portray.

 

It's just a shopping street which is facing exactly the same difficulties and hardships over the past decade as any other major High Street. Even the mighty prestigious Oxford Street in London is a shadow of its former glory days.

 

Chapel Walk, lovely as it may be, was never exactly Burlington Arcade or Bond Street.   

 

Now unfortunately its in the wrong place. Retail in the city has evolved to become more compact and more targeted to have any chance of survival. It can no longer be this sprawling meandering parade of endless shops like it used to be. That scenario is reserved for modern day shopping malls.

 

I will certainly agree that Chapel Walk needs to evolve to cater for its new type of tenants which is going to be more catering for residential and mixed use occupiers.  It also needs to cater to a new breed of shopper taste, trends and demands. Harping on about the glory days is not going to help that.

 

Irrelevant, let's not try and pretend that its turned into Sheffield version of skid row.   That is just nonsense

Your ignorance is astounding. Do you work in Planning? LOL

Chapel Walk is not  just " a shopping street" - it has always been a Feature; by definition, not a main thoroughfare. Think 

 of the Rows in Chester; the Arcades in Cardiff and Leeds. 

The comparisons with Oxford Street etc.,  are nonsense.

Rather, compare Cecil Court and places off the Charing Cross Road (if we're citing London) -  not far away . Specialist shops. 

Yes, I developed my love of books in the 60s with visits to Bowes & Bowes on Chapel Walk. A day trip to Sheffield from North Derbyshire was a treat. 

Why do you compare it to Bond Street? - I am taking the charitable view, that you've been there; but I am still a bit baffled. 

A shopping Arcade which offers something different is always worth a try. 

What's your view of Moor Market?  Not as good as Billingsgate or Smithfield Market? Shut it down? 

The 'Skid row' reference was gratuitous, by the way. See why?

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