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On 13/10/2020 at 15:51, Organgrinder said:

No idea as I don't deal with it . It's my partners realm.

She checks what's happening and switches suppliers quite often so I doubt we are being robbed.

Don't know whether you work for the energy companies but,   I AM STILL NOT HAVING A SMART METER.

If your wife decides she wants a smart meter, you will have a smart meter  :)

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19 minutes ago, El Cid said:

If your wife decides she wants a smart meter, you will have a smart meter  :)

Ha Ha, you are a comic but, I'm afraid,  you are wrong again.

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On 11/10/2020 at 11:07, Arthur Ritus said:

Completely agree, yet again public money being used for a government backed con like cavity wall filling and condensing boilers, i find it hard to believe that the average person can believe that they will save any money with a "smart meter". Even the name is fashionable crap labling suprised it wasn,t called a"Digital  I smart E meter", it just reads the meter electronically, no -  "smartness" at all

I know one person (not the sharpest knife in the drawer) that was telling me they had one and it was going to save them £100 a year, i asked where it was (the display part) - "i put it in the drawer out of the way" was the reply, "how will it save you money in the drawer?" i asked, " i dunno how it works but the people on the phone said it would so i must be right" was my answer.

:roll:

If you have to have a meter telling you how much you are using to not leave the shower on more than you need then you are a strange person to say the least.

 

A plugin meter that you can keep a check on your fridge/freezer as their consumption can rocket when worn / faulty or stick it on the dish washer or washing machince/ tumble drier to compare the cost of different programmes and ask yourself if its worth it rather than getting  a pot towel out to dry the pots or wait for a dry day and hang the washing out, now thats real benefit.

The main benefit, for me, is that I don't have to move all the kitchen furniture, lift the trapdoor and climb into my cellar to read the letters anymore. I never look at the usage display they gave me, and anyway it does not break down usage by device so the information is not very useful unless you constantly monitor it in real time with each device in your house (far too much faff to be practical). For that to be useful you really need all your electric/gas devices made smart too so they can report their individual usage.

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17 minutes ago, nightrider said:

The main benefit, for me, is that I don't have to move all the kitchen furniture, lift the trapdoor and climb into my cellar to read the letters anymore.

Same for me, mine are at the back of the garage.  

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The energy companies are blackmailing us.Most of them will only allow people who already have a smart meter,or who are willing to have one fitted,sign up for their cheapest tariffs.So a smart meter can save you money.This practice should of course be illegal,but of course it isn't.

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1 hour ago, ivan edake said:

The energy companies are blackmailing us.Most of them will only allow people who already have a smart meter,or who are willing to have one fitted,sign up for their cheapest tariffs.So a smart meter can save you money.This practice should of course be illegal,but of course it isn't.

Martin Lewis said tonight,  in answer to a question on the Martin Lewis Money Show on TV,  that the power companies cannot force you to have a Smart Meter

and also that anyone can have  the same  cheapest tariffs as those  with Smart Meters.

I thought this was the case but am glad that Martin has confirmed it. 

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A warning to anyone who has an older boiler:

Installation of smart meter leaves elderly woman facing £4,000 bill

 

The same thing nearly happened to us when the smart meter was installed. The installer had to switch the boiler off in order to install the meter and restart it afterwards. It wouldn't start, he didn't know how to restart it and was going to leave it and put a note on the installation notes. We insisted that he stayed and after about an hour calling all his fellow installers he eventually found one who talked him through the process.

 

The meter wasn't reporting the gas usage so after a couple of months they sent another installer with a replacement meter. As he was going to switch the boiler off I explained what happened last time so he once again rang around but he couldn't find anyone who could help. He left without switching the boiler off and the meter still doesn't record gas usage.

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I live in an apartment and the meters are in a secure meter cupboard two floors and half the building away. I can't have a smart meter, as my wifi signal isn't strong enough to reach. It's not stopped me yet being limited to tariffs.

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12 hours ago, Organgrinder said:

Martin Lewis said tonight,  in answer to a question on the Martin Lewis Money Show on TV,  that the power companies cannot force you to have a Smart Meter

and also that anyone can have  the same  cheapest tariffs as those  with Smart Meters.

I thought this was the case but am glad that Martin has confirmed it. 

I usually watch Martin Lewis but I missed this one.Martin also has a price comparison site and he always states that smart meters are mandatory on the quotes that require one fitting.Some quotes also state they are for new customers only and I have heard that was to be disallowed but nothing appears to have been done yet.My energy company seems to be getting round the smart meter rules by stating in the small print that they reserve the right to remove a customer from any tariff at any time. They really do appear to have us by the throat.

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2 hours ago, ivan edake said:

I usually watch Martin Lewis but I missed this one.Martin also has a price comparison site and he always states that smart meters are mandatory on the quotes that require one fitting.Some quotes also state they are for new customers only and I have heard that was to be disallowed but nothing appears to have been done yet.My energy company seems to be getting round the smart meter rules by stating in the small print that they reserve the right to remove a customer from any tariff at any time. They really do appear to have us by the throat.

This seems strange after I heard Martin Lewis clearly say that we couldn't be forced to have a smart meter and that we could have the same tariffs as those with smart meters so I don't know what to think now.

I have heard that, should future power supplies be in a precarious state, the power companies will be able to  switch off your supply using the smart meter.

This sounds like living under a dictator to me, and I can say that, unless they can force me by law, I will never have a Smart Meter fitted.

I suppose it's up to each of us to choose which direction we go in but my path is clear as I won't be bullied or threatened.

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3 hours ago, Organgrinder said:

This seems strange after I heard Martin Lewis clearly say that we couldn't be forced to have a smart meter and that we could have the same tariffs as those with smart meters so I don't know what to think now.

I have heard that, should future power supplies be in a precarious state, the power companies will be able to  switch off your supply using the smart meter.

This sounds like living under a dictator to me, and I can say that, unless they can force me by law, I will never have a Smart Meter fitted.

I suppose it's up to each of us to choose which direction we go in but my path is clear as I won't be bullied or threatened.

I watched a recording on the programme this morning. What Martin Lewis said was you can have the same tariff as those with a smart meters but only if it was impractical to fit one. In practise this would mean you would have to agree to have one fitted but when the installer arrives they cannot fit one as  the mobile signal isn't  strong enough at your property, for example.

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52 minutes ago, BigPP said:

I watched a recording on the programme this morning. What Martin Lewis said was you can have the same tariff as those with a smart meters but only if it was impractical to fit one. In practise this would mean you would have to agree to have one fitted but when the installer arrives they cannot fit one as  the mobile signal isn't  strong enough at your property, for example.

Well, In my case, they can stuff the Smart Meter along with  the special tarrifs too

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