tinfoilhat   11 #25 Posted October 10, 2020 57 minutes ago, Waldo said: The onus isn’t for me to disprove, it’s for you to prove YOUR claim with data that shows causation etc. Unlucky then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Resident   1,185 #26 Posted October 10, 2020 58 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said: Unlucky then. So basically you cannot back up your claims that hard prisons don't work yet require others to provide proof of their counter? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tinfoilhat   11 #27 Posted October 10, 2020 33 minutes ago, Resident said: So basically you cannot back up your claims that hard prisons don't work yet require others to provide proof of their counter? Not on a Saturday no.  Sorry (not sorry).  But your right, prisons we way harder back in the day and we hardly had any crime at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Vaati   11 #28 Posted October 10, 2020 The bickering is to cease! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Waldo   96 #29 Posted October 10, 2020 2 hours ago, tinfoilhat said: Unlucky then. I fail to see how. If people make claims they're unable or unwilling to substantiate, it's absolutely no skin of my nose. Their claims may or may not be true; what's unfortunate is when debate is shut down and people don't thrash things out, and examine each other's assumptions and the basis for their beliefs, as well as any supporting evidence etc.  Have a good day! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tinfoilhat   11 #30 Posted October 10, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Waldo said: I fail to see how. If people make claims they're unable or unwilling to substantiate, it's absolutely no skin of my nose. Their claims may or may not be true; what's unfortunate is when debate is shut down and people don't thrash things out, and examine each other's assumptions and the basis for their beliefs, as well as any supporting evidence etc.  Have a good day! I've been here a while and I had been given a quid for every link I'd provided against the the short sharp shock/3 strikes/prison is too soft/flog and hang argument I'd not need to work for a year. How many minds would it change? Better minds than mine have provided better links and more erudite arguments and got nowhere. I can no longer be bothered.  Currently in charge of this country is the most right wing government we've ever had, chock full of sycophants with a nice majority. Write in. Tell them you want hard labour etc - you'll never have a better chance. It will be done on a shoestring though. Edited October 10, 2020 by tinfoilhat Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Martin C   81 #31 Posted October 10, 2020 4 hours ago, tinfoilhat said: I've been here a while and I had been given a quid for every link I'd provided against the the short sharp shock/3 strikes/prison is too soft/flog and hang argument I'd not need to work for a year. How many minds would it change? Better minds than mine have provided better links and more erudite arguments and got nowhere. I can no longer be bothered.  Currently in charge of this country is the most right wing government we've ever had, chock full of sycophants with a nice majority. Write in. Tell them you want hard labour etc - you'll never have a better chance. It will be done on a shoestring though. If only my MP's main campaigning cause wasn't the "rights" ("yooman" or otherwise) of illegal immigrants and other assorted 'non-contributing' persons I could perhaps have opened up a correspondence along those lines with that gentleman. As it is I'd just be wasting printer ink or bandwidth. Thanks anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
BigAl1   143 #32 Posted October 11, 2020 11 hours ago, Martin C said: If only my MP's main campaigning cause wasn't the "rights" ("yooman" or otherwise) of illegal immigrants and other assorted 'non-contributing' persons I could perhaps have opened up a correspondence along those lines with that gentleman. As it is I'd just be wasting printer ink or bandwidth. Thanks anyway. I am not sure what my MP is doing full stop Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...