South Yorkshire Bus Service Needs Improvement

[Resident 1,185]

13 hours ago, fools said:

National express coach, Sheffield to Leeds, 55 min journey, £4.50

 

Pay cheap, get a surprisingly good service in a modern comfortable vehicle.

Infrequent service, 
Non-local service & doesn't stop from Sheffield to Leeds
According to NatEx your proposed journey cost £6.00 minimum ticket plus £1 booking fee
Most vehicles not wheelchair accessible
High chance of no seat availabilty owing to the fact that Sheffield is the penultimate stop for the majority of journeys. 

But you keep on comparing appled with oranges. 

[dutch 68]

I took a bus at exactly at 22 two seconds past 22 minutes past  two a clock today at 2-2-22. Funny ticket.

[fools 447]

5 hours ago, Resident said:

Infrequent service, 
Non-local service & doesn't stop from Sheffield to Leeds
According to NatEx your proposed journey cost £6.00 minimum ticket plus £1 booking fee
Most vehicles not wheelchair accessible
High chance of no seat availabilty owing to the fact that Sheffield is the penultimate stop for the majority of journeys. 

But you keep on comparing appled with oranges. 

Look and learn. You could make every bus 40% more efficient overnight by cutting the stops in half and sorting out the ticketing and timetables.

 

Well I never, you'll be telling me what doors are for next. They stop at Meadowhall.

 

Shop around. Prices start from £4.20, not £6. Then get a coachcard, for a third off. That includes a driver, a modern coach, insurance and fuel, and all the background stuff any business has to fund - just like a bus. but over a much longer distance. A whole £1 booking fee (if you book online), you need to work a bit harder on those gotchas.

 

"We regularly invest in new coaches and all of our fleet now has a wheelchair lift at the front entrance."

 

Speculative nonsense - never had a problem getting a seat. People get off along the way you know.

 

It is a bit apples and oranges isn't it, maybe if bus services up their game, it might even things up a bit.

 

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Lot of people defending a service that hasn't updated much in half a century.

 

Edited February 2, 2022 by fools

[Guest busdriver1]

44 minutes ago, fools said:

Look and learn. You could make every bus 40% more efficient overnight by cutting the stops in half and sorting out the ticketing and timetables.

 

Well I never, you'll be telling me what doors are for next. They stop at Meadowhall.

 

Shop around. Prices start from £4.20, not £6. Then get a coachcard, for a third off. That includes a driver, a modern coach, insurance and fuel, and all the background stuff any business has to fund - just like a bus. but over a much longer distance. A whole £1 booking fee (if you book online), you need to work a bit harder on those gotchas.

 

"We regularly invest in new coaches and all of our fleet now has a wheelchair lift at the front entrance."

 

Speculative nonsense - never had a problem getting a seat. People get off along the way you know.

 

It is a bit apples and oranges isn't it, maybe if bus services up their game, it might even things up a bit.

 

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Lot of people defending a service that hasn't updated much in half a century.

 

And one who has no concept AT ALL regarding the provision of bus services and goes out of his way to assure us all of that fact.

[fools 447]

He's back, no substance though.

[alexander874 17]

8 hours ago, RollingJ said:

Cheers, @alexander874 - didn't know that - but it still wasn't a stage-carriage service. 😃

 

8 hours ago, RollingJ said:

Cheers, @alexander874 - didn't know that - but it still wasn't a stage-carriage service. 😃

Yes it was you just paid the driver like on any bus and stopped at most bus stops.

[AlexAtkin 10]

6 hours ago, fools said:

Look and learn. You could make every bus 40% more efficient overnight by cutting the stops in half and sorting out the ticketing and timetables.

 

Well I never, you'll be telling me what doors are for next. They stop at Meadowhall.

 

Shop around. Prices start from £4.20, not £6. Then get a coachcard, for a third off. That includes a driver, a modern coach, insurance and fuel, and all the background stuff any business has to fund - just like a bus. but over a much longer distance. A whole £1 booking fee (if you book online), you need to work a bit harder on those gotchas.

 

"We regularly invest in new coaches and all of our fleet now has a wheelchair lift at the front entrance."

 

Speculative nonsense - never had a problem getting a seat. People get off along the way you know.

 

It is a bit apples and oranges isn't it, maybe if bus services up their game, it might even things up a bit.

 

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Lot of people defending a service that hasn't updated much in half a century.

 

Reduce stops = too bad disabled and the elderly.  There's also only finite space at a bus stop, if you have less of them that means more people queuing with no space to do so.

 

No cash buses, similar problem as not everyone has facilities to top-up a card and the added problem if they suddenly find out when getting on the bus that their card has insufficient funds.  Considering the abuse I've seen drivers take from some mothers on the school run for not having enough change, I'm sure this would go down REAL well.

 

As others have said, a lot of bus routes wont fit a coach down it.   Plus the major issue (besides cost) being a bus is designed so people can get on and off quickly, a coach is not.  The timetables would be a whole hot mess every time someone used the wheelchair lift.

Coaches are designed for relatively few stops with long waiting times.

 

As for your earlier complaint about bus lighting, cool-white is used because our eyes are more sensitive to blue light.  It keeps us more alert (last thing you want after a hard day at work is to fall asleep on the bus and miss your stop) and means they don't need to be as bright (thus saving energy) compared to warm white.

 

Lastly, I just want to thank everyone on this thread on the inside of bus operation for opening my eyes to the situation.  I'm glad I didn't fall for any of the petitions to re-nationalise the buses.  As a socialist it can be a gut instinct to think its the way to go, not I feel much more informed of why it can't really work in Sheffield.

Edited February 2, 2022 by AlexAtkin

[fools 447]

19 minutes ago, AlexAtkin said:

Reduce stops = too bad disabled and the elderly.  There's also only finite space at a bus stop, if you have less of them that means more people queuing with no space to do so.

 

No cash buses, similar problem as not everyone has facilities to top-up a card and the added problem if they suddenly find out when getting on the bus that their card has insufficient funds.  Considering the abuse I've seen drivers take from some mothers on the school run for not having enough change, I'm sure this would go down REAL well.

 

As others have said, a lot of bus routes wont fit a coach down it.   Plus the major issue (besides cost) being a bus is designed so people can get on and off quickly, a coach is not.  The timetables would be a whole hot mess every time someone used the wheelchair lift.

Coaches are designed for relatively few stops with long waiting times.

 

As for your earlier complaint about bus lighting, cool-white is used because our eyes are more sensitive to blue light.  It keeps us more alert (last thing you want after a hard day at work is to fall asleep on the bus and miss your stop) and means they don't need to be as bright (thus saving energy) compared to warm white.

 

Lastly, I just want to thank everyone on this thread on the inside of bus operation for opening my eyes to the situation.  I'm glad I didn't fall for any of the petitions to re-nationalise the buses.  As a socialist it can be a gut instinct to think its the way to go, not I feel much more informed of why it can't really work in Sheffield.

These answers are getting funnier by the minute.

 

Finite space at a bus stop, and blue light to keep us awake ... are you serious.

 

Quite incredible that you are all still deliberately misunderstanding the use of the word "coach"

 

We've got autonomous helicopters on Mars, and you're all still stuck in the 70's with your can't do, won't do, attitude..

 

Better get some white lights to keep me awake when I'm driving.

 

Edited February 2, 2022 by fools

[AlexAtkin 10]

Just now, fools said:

These answers are getting funnier by the minute.

 

We've got autonomous helicopters on Mars, and you're all still stuck in the 70's with your can't do, won't do, attitude..

 

Better get some white lights to keep me awake when I'm driving.

 

Which does work, thus why Sheffield has cool-white LED street lights.

It also makes pot holes, mud and dog muck more visible which is especially useful for cyclists.

So buses, pot holes, cyclists and the new street lighting - I think I managed to cover all the controversial topics. 😛

[fools 447]

Dog muck? What has that got to do with interior bus lighting.

 

In terms of visibility of other road users, cyclists, and pedestrians, the current streetlighting is far inferior to what was there before.

[RollingJ 2,002]

5 hours ago, alexander874 said:

 

Yes it was you just paid the driver like on any bus and stopped at most bus stops.

Sorry - I forgot that service - never had cause to use it when it was running, I was thing of the current service.

[Resident 1,185]

1 hour ago, fools said:

These answers are getting funnier by the minute.

 

 (1) Finite space at a bus stop, and (2)blue light to keep us awake ... are you serious.

 

(3)Quite incredible that you are all still deliberately misunderstanding the use of the word "coach"

 

(4) We've got autonomous helicopters on Mars, and you're all still stuck in the 70's with your can't do, won't do, attitude..

 

Better get some white lights to keep me awake when I'm driving.

 

1. Some bus stops, not all, have only a small 'platform'. Others may have several services stopping at them. Potentially having a full bus load waiting over 5 services you could, in theory, have over 300 people waiting at one stop, that's a lot of space 

2. Educate yourself on light-waves which affect sleep https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/emres/longhourstraining/color.html

3. The only one here misunderstanding the word 'coach' is you. 

4. You're comparing an US$80,000,000 1.8kg drone to an 11,000+kg US$350,000 (approx based on current exchange rate) bus. What a crackpot!

Seriously dude, can you pass the laptop to your carer so they can log you out.

Edited February 2, 2022 by Resident