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The Labour Party - Part 2

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Just now, El Cid said:

We know what the Conservative are doing now, but we dont know what their policies are for the next election. You are just anti-Labour, so voters like you may just cause another Conservative Government.

I am not anti-labour, I am anti Starmer.

You obviously don't read my posts properly or you would know that.

I would like to see a Labour Government but not a right leaning Blairite Government and that would be the result if Starmer led it.

I would have voted for the Corbyn led Labour party but they decided that they didn't want to honour the Brexit vote.

I have already said that I voted Labour for around 60 Years but I will not support a Labour party with Tory policies and I will not support a Labour party that breaks it's word.

If voters like me cause another Conservative Government, it will be because Labour have lost their core values and thereby, lost us voters too.

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43 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

I am not anti-labour, I am anti Starmer.

You obviously don't read my posts properly or you would know that.

I would like to see a Labour Government but not a right leaning Blairite Government and that would be the result if Starmer led it.

I would have voted for the Corbyn led Labour party but they decided that they didn't want to honour the Brexit vote.

I have already said that I voted Labour for around 60 Years but I will not support a Labour party with Tory policies and I will not support a Labour party that breaks it's word.

If voters like me cause another Conservative Government, it will be because Labour have lost their core values and thereby, lost us voters too.

I think a lot of this is pretty hard to argue with. Compared to climate change, the ever-greater challenge of automation, and the societal problems caused by a decade of austerity, Brexit was and is a sideshow. Does anyone really think that the Brexit enthusiasts of Lincolnshire are going to give a stuff about sovereignty when most of their fruit and veg picking is done by machines and half the county is under the sea? Brexit was a trap that Labour fell into, letting it dominate politics in a disproportionate way. Corbyn could have just agreed to go along with it, get it out of the way, and focused on what really matters. Now, with a cipher of a man in charge, they trail massively to a government of incompetents who seem to spend most of their time giving our money to their friends. 

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27 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

 

If voters like me cause another Conservative Government, it will be because Labour have lost their core values and thereby, lost us voters too.

And you will have cut off your nose to spite your face...Labour may have lost their core values but you'd be happy with Tory values instead.

 

A plague on both their houses.

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19 minutes ago, taxman said:

And you will have cut off your nose to spite your face...Labour may have lost their core values but you'd be happy with Tory values instead.

 

A plague on both their houses.

Maybe Organgrinder has a negative view of Starmer, but votes tactically in Sheffield?  Who do you vote for locally?

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45 minutes ago, taxman said:

And you will have cut off your nose to spite your face...Labour may have lost their core values but you'd be happy with Tory values instead.

 

A plague on both their houses.

I've only ever voted Labour, (I'm 67), I'm still a member of the Party,  only because people I respect have convinced me not to leave, but I'll not be voting Labour again.  I'm just one person and obviously one vote but can't in all conscience vote for a party that has chosen to elect a superficial careerist with as much depth as a thimble as leader.

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Yeah, at least he's got something right. The police using violence to break up a vigil for a victim of a police officer's alleged sexual violence is thoroughly disturbing. 

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6 hours ago, Mister M said:

Brave of him to put his head above the parapet but he may well live to regret those words.  Not everyone is on the same page with this one.    

 

Lets see how well Starmer fares next time he starts doing grandiose statements criticising the governemnt for easing lockdown rules too early or allowing people go mix too quickly or tries to make bold claims about upholding and enforcing  the rule of law considering his (former) colleagues in the judiciary made a very clear ruling on this vigil gathering not to go ahead.   Even the organisers and victim's family themselves clearly told people not to attend.   Its inevitable there will be people and certain media just waiting to throw his own words back at him. 

 

From a different angle it could be seen that Starmer is having a nice little dig at those brave officers who were protecting the public, enforcing the strict Covid lockdown rules and simply doing their jobs by stopping an illegal gathering.  Even more so when (if other videos taken are true) those police were being verbally and physical attacked by a small number of attendees who were trying to turn a respectful vigil into an aggressive protest. 

 

Of course, how the Met have performed is for quite rightly to be challenged and investigated but only with full facts and full context.   MPs rushing to jump on the bandwaggon with bold statements and grandstanding may lead to wider consequences.   The man is a senior experienced lawyer and former head of the CPS.  He should be well aware of that. 

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5 hours ago, ECCOnoob said:

Brave of him to put his head above the parapet but he may well live to regret those words.  Not everyone is on the same page with this one.    

That is why being in opposition at the moment is so difficult.

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8 hours ago, ECCOnoob said:

Brave of him to put his head above the parapet but he may well live to regret those words.  Not everyone is on the same page with this one.

He's on the same page as the Duchess of Cambridge, who attended the vigil in person. Any criticism of his reaction will also be seen as an implicit criticism of her. That will temper the actions of those wishing to make political capital out of his comments.

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14 hours ago, Mister M said:

The Labour leader should be supporting the Met Police.  Thousands of people who have followed the rules and laws relating to covid-19 haven't been able to mourn members of their own family because they didn't attend family funerals due to the restrictions.  Those attending the unlawful vigil were not members of the victim's family.  By all means hold events once covid-19 restrictions are lifted but not before.

 

33 minutes ago, altus said:

He's on the same page as the Duchess of Cambridge, who attended the vigil in person. Any criticism of his reaction will also be seen as an implicit criticism of her. That will temper the actions of those wishing to make political capital out of his comments.

The Duchess of Cambridge should have been arrested for breaking covid-19 laws in my opinion.

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46 minutes ago, West 77 said:

The Labour leader should be supporting the Met Police.  Thousands of people who have followed the rules and laws relating to covid-19 haven't been able to mourn members of their own family because they didn't attend family funerals due to the restrictions.  Those attending the unlawful vigil were not members of the victim's family.  By all means hold events once covid-19 restrictions are lifted but not before.

 

The Duchess of Cambridge should have been arrested for breaking covid-19 laws in my opinion.

Funny how police forces everywhere else there was a vigil managed not to engage in macho violence against women. Looks like the Met has a problem.

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