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The Labour Party - Part 2

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On 11/03/2021 at 20:17, El Cid said:

He has been an MP for six years, surely we know he is a moderate, but policies will only be announced before the next election.

In 2019 there was a big rush for the partys  announce their manifestos because they were not known before that.

Being known simply as a moderate is not enough. We have had this discussion before.

Very many are dissapointed with Starmer already, including some of his own MP's,  so if he doesn't tell people what he stands for now, he may never get the chance because he will not last that long.

I am dissapointed with Labour altogether with their failure to speak out on anything except to critiscise Boris without telling us their alternative plans.

The only thing they have announced is that they are going to look after the nurses. That's good but they must offer something more than that.

They need some new ideas and  they need to show some fire as though they beleive in what they are saying.

They can't expect people to bin Boris off and support the other side if they don't know what's on offer.

At least Corbyn did that and made it clear he was going to take public ownership of the railways etc but no one knows what Starmer wants to do.

If everything is going to be the same as they are whilst the Tories are running the country then Why change?

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6 hours ago, Organgrinder said:

I am dissapointed with Labour altogether with their failure to speak out on anything except to critiscise Boris without telling us their alternative plans.

 

It is difficult to put forward an alternative. Should we test more, the test n trace is already costing billions; should we lockdown more, bussinesses need to work and earn money; should shcools reopen because children are suffering, that will spread COVID and the teachers wont be happy; should we compansate people more, with Government already spending billions.

 

Surely all of this has been said in Parliament, have you not seen it, has it not been reported?

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2 hours ago, El Cid said:

It is difficult to put forward an alternative. Should we test more, the test n trace is already costing billions; should we lockdown more, bussinesses need to work and earn money; should shcools reopen because children are suffering, that will spread COVID and the teachers wont be happy; should we compansate people more, with Government already spending billions.

 

Surely all of this has been said in Parliament, have you not seen it, has it not been reported?

You seem to be specifically talking about Covid.

I am not - I am talking about a party in opposition now but who wants to form the next government.

There is Covid to deal with but many other problems too, with climate change, housing stock, employment, trade, Europe, Northern Ireland, world affairs,

Yes, I HAVE seen what's said in Parliament and I AM aware of what gets reported and prefer not to be asked silly questions like that.

 

In all the fields that I have mentioned, I have not seen or heard a single Labour statement on any one of those.

Many Labour supporters are so enamoured that they would vote for Mr Bean as Labour leader but, if Labour want to regain my vote, they will have to come up with some real pollcies

and show that they have the ideas and  the leadership to implement them.

Further sitting on the fence and making a lot of bluster will not persuade people like me and neither will talking down.

I understand that this is a very difficult time for Governments and would-be Governments but that's why Labour need to show that they will not do the same, otherwise, there is no point voting for them.

Unless Labour spells out alternative policies, they are dead.

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43 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

You seem to be specifically talking about Covid.

I am not - I am talking about a party in opposition now but who wants to form the next government.

There is Covid to deal with but many other problems too, with climate change, housing stock, employment, trade, Europe, Northern Ireland, world affairs,

Yes, I HAVE seen what's said in Parliament and I AM aware of what gets reported and prefer not to be asked silly questions like that.

 

In all the fields that I have mentioned, I have not seen or heard a single Labour statement on any one of those.

Many Labour supporters are so enamoured that they would vote for Mr Bean as Labour leader but, if Labour want to regain my vote, they will have to come up with some real pollcies

and show that they have the ideas and  the leadership to implement them.

Further sitting on the fence and making a lot of bluster will not persuade people like me and neither will talking down.

I understand that this is a very difficult time for Governments and would-be Governments but that's why Labour need to show that they will not do the same, otherwise, there is no point voting for them.

Unless Labour spells out alternative policies, they are dead.

They've been dead for 50 years. Only time the public accepted them was when Blair was in charge and the labour faithful on here discount him as "not Labour"

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I wish Pettytom was still here and not banned, he was a big supporter of Starmer, i would love to hear his views on how poor labour are doing with his man in charge , the Starmer pledges that he directed to are mostly broken, from what i see there is very little between Labour and Tories at the moment

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1 hour ago, banjodeano said:

.... the Starmer pledges that he directed to are mostly broken, .....

which ones?

 

being that implementing most of them requires the party to be in government then it seems a little unfair to say they have been broken before the party wins an election.

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2 hours ago, andyofborg said:

which ones?

 

being that implementing most of them requires the party to be in government then it seems a little unfair to say they have been broken before the party wins an election.

lets start with uniting the party that was one of his slogans, has he united the party?

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2 hours ago, banjodeano said:

lets start with uniting the party that was one of his slogans, has he united the party?

as much as is possible, given current circumstances.

 

the labour party wasn't particularly unified under Blair but everyone at the time shared the same vision that a labour government was better than that of an another party and certain compromises were necessary in order to achieve that.

 

the current membership need to come to the same realisation,  sooner rather than later.

 

 

 

 

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36 minutes ago, andyofborg said:

as much as is possible, given current circumstances.

 

the labour party wasn't particularly unified under Blair but everyone at the time shared the same vision that a labour government was better than that of an another party and certain compromises were necessary in order to achieve that.

 

the current membership need to come to the same realisation,  sooner rather than later.

 

 

 

 

Seriously  what has Starmer done to unite the party?  he  has deliberately gone out of his way to  antagonise the socialists within the party, withdrawing the whip from Corbyn against the NEC's wishes was a deliberate act of provocation, to say he has united the party is laughable

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9 hours ago, Organgrinder said:

In all the fields that I have mentioned, I have not seen or heard a single Labour statement on any one of those.

Have you heard anything from other partys? SNP, Liberal Democrats; the news is split between COVID and Brexit.

1 hour ago, banjodeano said:

Seriously  what has Starmer done to unite the party?  he  has deliberately gone out of his way to  antagonise the socialists within the party, withdrawing the whip from Corbyn against the NEC's wishes was a deliberate act of provocation, to say he has united the party is laughable

According to Organgrinder he has done nothing, not been in the news at all.

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2 hours ago, El Cid said:

Have you heard anything from other partys? SNP, Liberal Democrats; the news is split between COVID and Brexit.

According to Organgrinder he has done nothing, not been in the news at all.

As an Englishman, I am not in the slightest interested in the SNP and I would never ever vote for the Lib Dems, the party which decided to ignore the referendum because they didn't want to leave Europe.

 

I didn't say that Starmer had done nothing and had not been in the news -  I said that he refused to say what his  policies were.

 

Why should I want to argue about the Lib Dems or the SNP?

Don't put words into my mouth which I haven't said.

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1 hour ago, Organgrinder said:

I didn't say that Starmer had done nothing and had not been in the news -  I said that he refused to say what his  policies were.

Following the 2019 General Election the Labour Party entered a new cycle of policy development. We want to hear your insight and ideas on how we can re-shape our policy platform to win the next General Election and ensure a fairer Britain for all.

 

Policy is developed through the National Policy Forum (NPF). This is a body of over 200 representatives from all the major groups of the Labour Party, from constituency parties and regions to affiliated trade unions, socialist societies, MPs and councillors.  Its role is to shape the Party’s policy agenda, drawing up policy documents for agreement.

 

Does that answer your question, the policies change from election to election. That is similar for all the partys, but you can keep being fed negativity from the media. The answer was a quick Google.

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