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The Labour Party - Part 2

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11 minutes ago, El Cid said:

When the Tories have a stonking majority at Westminster, it makes the opposion redundant. Does it matter what the opposition says? The only show in town is Boris.

Boris got a massive majority because of Brexit, not because he is great or Corbyn was poor. The country needs a better electoral system, which is why we need to elect Labour at the next election.

I'm not aware that they are offering a different electoral system, is that something they're seriously suggesting?

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5 minutes ago, Delbow said:

I'm not aware that they are offering a different electoral system, is that something they're seriously suggesting?

Media reports about it being concidered, they dont tend to announce policies untill the election is just around the corner.

 

https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/keir-starmer-weve-got-to-address-the-fact-that-millions-of-people-vote-in-safe-seats-and-they-feel-their-voice-doesnt-count/

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3 hours ago, El Cid said:

When the Tories have a stonking majority at Westminster, it makes the opposion redundant. Does it matter what the opposition says? The only show in town is Boris.

Boris got a massive majority because of Brexit, not because he is great or Corbyn was poor. The country needs a better electoral system, which is why we need to elect Labour at the next election.

Despite the Tory majority, it does matter what Labour says,  if only to show whether they are worth of our vote at the next election.

This doesn't mean that they can simply rubbish everything that Boris does (which is what's happening now) but they must explain their alternative policy so that we can compare.

If they don't have an alternative policy to any they oppose, they will not be worthy of our votes.

Edited by Organgrinder

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1 hour ago, El Cid said:

Media reports about it being concidered, they dont tend to announce policies untill the election is just around the corner.

 

https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/keir-starmer-weve-got-to-address-the-fact-that-millions-of-people-vote-in-safe-seats-and-they-feel-their-voice-doesnt-count/

12 months is a long time in politics - do they still think the same?

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1 hour ago, Delbow said:

I'm not aware that they are offering a different electoral system, is that something they're seriously suggesting?

If Starmer wins the next election, he will stand at the lectern and declare that "democracy has spoken".

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2 minutes ago, carosio said:

If Starmer wins the next election, he will stand at the lectern and declare that "democracy has spoken".

I'm sure he will also say that if he doesn't win the next election

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3 hours ago, carosio said:

If Starmer wins the next election, he will stand at the lectern and declare that "democracy has spoken".

Starmer doesnt have a cat in hells chance of getting elected, he is still blaming Corbyn for his own poor showing in the polls, i also found it quite telling when he was asked whether Hancock should resign over breaking the law on contracts, the snivelling creep declared that it is not what the people want, yes it blooming well is, if Hancock is giving out contracts to his mates and breaking the law, he should be held accountable

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He's trying to lead a political party while holding no opinions. Novel, but doomed to failure I suspect.

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37 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

Starmer doesnt have a cat in hells chance of getting elected, he is still blaming Corbyn for his own poor showing in the polls, i also found it quite telling when he was asked whether Hancock should resign over breaking the law on contracts, the snivelling creep declared that it is not what the people want, yes it blooming well is, if Hancock is giving out contracts to his mates and breaking the law, he should be held accountable

Better to wait for the enquiry and then Hancock will resign, can we judge before the enquiry?

2 minutes ago, Delbow said:

He's trying to lead a political party while holding no opinions. Novel, but doomed to failure I suspect.

That didnt help Corbyn though.

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5 minutes ago, El Cid said:

Better to wait for the enquiry and then Hancock will resign, can we judge before the enquiry?

They will drag any inquiry well into the next parliament. Hancock will have a nice non-exec directorship with a private health company by then.

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Oooh good! All these posters mysteriously conspicuous by their absence from the Conservative Party thread, suddenly very animated on the Labour Party thread. Now there's a novelty! :nod:

13 hours ago, Organgrinder said:

A party with no beliefs and no policies, that they are willing to talk about and simply claim that they want to make the poor better off without explaining how they will do that and who is going to pay.

As they still believe in privatisation and all the policies which Blair & Brown followed, there is no point voting for them because they just took Margaret Thatchers policies when they got into power.

Leaves people wondering about the difference in their policies and the Tories. One thing to be sure of (because they told everyone not to talk about it) is that they want to get much closer to Europe again, whatever the cost.

I know, 'barstewards' aren't they? How dare they even suggest that poorest workers such as care workers, supermarket  staff and transport workers who sat with their feet up through the pandemic, while the poor chief executives of Britain's richest companies selflessly had their shoulders to the wheel, risking their own health and safety for little reward. So glad that the Conservative Party are sticking up for them. Let's face it, they need every bit of support from Government.

 

10 hours ago, Organgrinder said:

Despite the Tory majority, it does matter what Labour says,  if only to show whether they are worth of our vote at the next election.

This doesn't mean that they can simply rubbish everything that Boris does (which is what's happening now) but they must explain their alternative policy so that we can compare.

If they don't have an alternative policy to any they oppose, they will not be worthy of our votes.

Why does it matter to you what Labour says? You've already decided you don't like it. 

Labour doesn't rubbish everything that Boris does. Labour have been more than supportive of Johnson in the pandemic, even when De Pfeffel doesn't deserve support, they've given it. What do you want Labour to do? Bow and scrape at every opportunity?

In fact many members of his own backbenchers are rubbishing Johnson more than the Labour Party are!

 

So Organgriner, what do you think about the policies of the Conservative Government which has led to Britain having one of the worst death rates in the world from COVID-19, and the pandemic having an impact that's resulted in the UK having the GDP growth in Europe?

Edited by Mister M

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1 hour ago, Mister M said:

Oooh good! All these posters mysteriously conspicuous by their absence from the Conservative Party thread, suddenly very animated on the Labour Party thread. Now there's a novelty! :nod:

I know, 'barstewards' aren't they? How dare they even suggest that poorest workers such as care workers, supermarket  staff and transport workers who sat with their feet up through the pandemic, while the poor chief executives of Britain's richest companies selflessly had their shoulders to the wheel, risking their own health and safety for little reward. So glad that the Conservative Party are sticking up for them. Let's face it, they need every bit of support from Government.

You have not understood my post - I fully understand that there are many poor and deserving people who deserve better from our governments of ALL shades.

I am saying that Labour pay lip service to this ideal but refuse to tell us exactly how they are going to achieve this.  I was a Labour voter for almost 60 years and still believe in the ideals of the original Labour party.

Blair & Brown started their slide into Tory policies and continued the mass privatisation  program. I believe that Corbyn would have stopped that but he never got the chance.

Starmer is a Blairite and will do nothing for the poor. He doesn't have a single idea of his own or if he does, he refuse to say what they are.  The Bonds idea had been suggested well before he latched onto it.

1 hour ago, Mister M said:

 

Why does it matter to you what Labour says? You've already decided you don't like it. 

Labour doesn't rubbish everything that Boris does. Labour have been more than supportive of Johnson in the pandemic, even when De Pfeffel doesn't deserve support, they've given it. What do you want Labour to do? Bow and scrape at every opportunity?

In fact many members of his own backbenchers are rubbishing Johnson more than the Labour Party are!

 

So Organgriner, what do you think about the policies of the Conservative Government which has led to Britain having one of the worst death rates in the world from COVID-19, and the pandemic having an impact that's resulted in the UK having the GDP growth in Europe?

It matters to everyone what Labour says unless we want to turn into a one party state but it also matters that they not only say the right things but DO THEM.

As for the policies of the Conservative Government, my opinion is that they have made many mistakes and should be held to account when the Inquiry into their policies takes place.

You might remember though, that Starmer was the one who started all the pushing to  come out of the first lockdown too early.

The Tories were voted in with a massive majority becasue they listened to the voters about Brexit when Labour tried every tactic to stop it so Boris at least listens.

Starmer hasn't supported Boris at all - he has simply not gone against him and told his MP's to abstain when they had the chance to vote against him.

In case you hadn't noticed, the latest poll  puts Boris massively in front of Starmer and Labour has no chance of winning an election with Starmer as leader and until they stop sitting on the fence.

I am no Tory lover but will not vote for Labour until I hear some real costed policies which prove their commitment to helping the poor. They have conned us long enough.

I want Gas, Electricity, Water, Railways and Royal Mail back in public ownership. I know Boris won't do that but neither will Starmer and, at this point, we still don't know what Starmer WILL do.

 

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