El Cid   214 #553 Posted January 29, 2021 6 hours ago, Anna B said: There is something wrong with the system when an honest decent man like Corbyn can be so maligned, and an obvious liar and charlatan like Johnson becomes Prime Minister. I agree, but those on the left dont seem to keen on voting for Kier so it will repeat over and over again. The opposition vote and the vote on the left is split. Meaning the Tories will win again. Will you be supporting Kier Starmer? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Baron99   779 #554 Posted January 29, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, Anna B said: There is something wrong with the system when an honest decent man like Corbyn can be so maligned, and an obvious liar and charlatan like Johnson becomes Prime Minister. Think you'll find that Jeremy didn't win because Tory voters backed Boris.  Jeremy didn't win because Tory AND Labour voters didn't believe in him, didn't trust AND they backed Boris.  Nothing wrong with the system, (it's always the system or someone else's fault), it's the one we decided to keep in a democratic vote on around a decade ago. Edited January 29, 2021 by Baron99 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
El Cid   214 #555 Posted January 29, 2021 3 hours ago, Baron99 said: Nothing wrong with the system, (it's always the system or someone else's fault), it's the one we decided to keep in a democratic vote on around a decade ago. The UK is unique among European countries in terms of its electoral system – and not in a good way. It’s the only country with a parliamentary system that uses the outdated, one-person-takes-all First Past the Post system. The Alternative Vote (AV) is a relatively unusual electoral system, today used only in Australia, and, in a modified form, in one of Australias island called Nauru. The AV vote was a stitch up by David Cameron. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Delbow   693 #556 Posted February 27, 2021 I can see this used to be a very active thread, and it seems quite telling that no-one has anything to say about the Labour Party anymore. I could have a go: there is a political party and it's called Labour. That appears to be the sum total of what there is to say though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Organgrinder   1,946 #557 Posted February 27, 2021 13 minutes ago, Delbow said: I can see this used to be a very active thread, and it seems quite telling that no-one has anything to say about the Labour Party anymore. I could have a go: there is a political party and it's called Labour. That appears to be the sum total of what there is to say though. A party with no beliefs and no policies, that they are willing to talk about and simply claim that they want to make the poor better off without explaining how they will do that and who is going to pay. As they still believe in privatisation and all the policies which Blair & Brown followed, there is no point voting for them because they just took Margaret Thatchers policies when they got into power. Leaves people wondering about the difference in their policies and the Tories. One thing to be sure of (because they told everyone not to talk about it) is that they want to get much closer to Europe again, whatever the cost. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
El Cid   214 #558 Posted February 27, 2021 35 minutes ago, Delbow said: I can see this used to be a very active thread, and it seems quite telling that no-one has anything to say about the Labour Party anymore. I could have a go: there is a political party and it's called Labour. That appears to be the sum total of what there is to say though. When the Tories have a stonking majority at Westminster, it makes the opposion redundant. Does it matter what the opposition says? The only show in town is Boris. Boris got a massive majority because of Brexit, not because he is great or Corbyn was poor. The country needs a better electoral system, which is why we need to elect Labour at the next election. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
RollingJ Â Â 2,002 #559 Posted February 27, 2021 11 minutes ago, El Cid said: When the Tories have a stonking majority at Westminster, it makes the opposion redundant. Does it matter what the opposition says? The only show in town is Boris. Boris got a massive majority because of Brexit, not because he is great or Corbyn was poor. The country needs a better electoral system, which is why we need to elect Labour at the next election. That makes a great deal of sense -not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Delbow   693 #560 Posted February 27, 2021 11 minutes ago, El Cid said: When the Tories have a stonking majority at Westminster, it makes the opposion redundant. Does it matter what the opposition says? The only show in town is Boris. Boris got a massive majority because of Brexit, not because he is great or Corbyn was poor. The country needs a better electoral system, which is why we need to elect Labour at the next election. I'm not aware that they are offering a different electoral system, is that something they're seriously suggesting? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
El Cid   214 #561 Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Delbow said: I'm not aware that they are offering a different electoral system, is that something they're seriously suggesting? Media reports about it being concidered, they dont tend to announce policies untill the election is just around the corner.  https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/keir-starmer-weve-got-to-address-the-fact-that-millions-of-people-vote-in-safe-seats-and-they-feel-their-voice-doesnt-count/ Edited February 27, 2021 by El Cid Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Organgrinder   1,946 #562 Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, El Cid said: When the Tories have a stonking majority at Westminster, it makes the opposion redundant. Does it matter what the opposition says? The only show in town is Boris. Boris got a massive majority because of Brexit, not because he is great or Corbyn was poor. The country needs a better electoral system, which is why we need to elect Labour at the next election. Despite the Tory majority, it does matter what Labour says, if only to show whether they are worth of our vote at the next election. This doesn't mean that they can simply rubbish everything that Boris does (which is what's happening now) but they must explain their alternative policy so that we can compare. If they don't have an alternative policy to any they oppose, they will not be worthy of our votes. Edited February 27, 2021 by Organgrinder Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
RollingJ Â Â 2,002 #563 Posted February 27, 2021 1 hour ago, El Cid said: Media reports about it being concidered, they dont tend to announce policies untill the election is just around the corner. Â https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/keir-starmer-weve-got-to-address-the-fact-that-millions-of-people-vote-in-safe-seats-and-they-feel-their-voice-doesnt-count/ 12 months is a long time in politics - do they still think the same? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
carosio   186 #564 Posted February 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Delbow said: I'm not aware that they are offering a different electoral system, is that something they're seriously suggesting? If Starmer wins the next election, he will stand at the lectern and declare that "democracy has spoken". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...