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14 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

Yet again, you are inaccurate Anna.

 

Corbyn is suspended, not expelled. He was given adequate opportunity to change the statement that led to his suspension, but he refused. He’s engineered this deliberately, that’s not in doubt.

 

Once he’s accepted that a party that is a bit racist isn’t ok, he’ll get to return. Whilst he’s doing that, maybe you could learn a few research techniques to ensure that you post more accurate information.

I don't think that anyone is in a position to criticise, when there is such flagrant racism in the Tory party which goes unremarked. And nothing is more innacurate than saying he engineered his own suspension. Utter garbage. please don't try to pass off your own opinions and prejudices as 'facts,' and then try to accuse me of inacuracy.

 

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19 minutes ago, Anna B said:

I don't think that anyone is in a position to criticise, when there is such flagrant racism in the Tory party which goes unremarked. And nothing is more innacurate than saying he engineered his own suspension. Utter garbage. please don't try to pass off your own opinions and prejudices as 'facts,' and then try to accuse me of inacuracy.

 

You are inaccurate though, Anna. Twice tonight, easily evidenced.


If Corbyn didn’t engineer his own suspension, then he is spectacularly stupid. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt.

 

The Tories are an odious bunch of racists, I agree. That doesn’t mean that Labour should accept being a bit less racist than Johnson’s Tories. Thankfully, it seems that we’ve finally decided to tackle the issue.

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7 hours ago, Pettytom said:

I’m in a party that was formed to promote the rights of workers. You can’t do that whilst you are shouting slogans at old Etonians with 80 seat majorities. The Etonians are in charge because of Corbyn, by the way.

 

If you want to see the workers’ opinion of Corbyn’s Labour Party, take a look at Rother Valley, or NE Derbyshire, or Bassetlaw, or Bishop Auckland.

 

Corbyn failed those people and they voted Tory. The whole of the momentum movement should be hanging their heads in shame at that. They should also be hoping that Starmer can fix the damage.

Corbyn didnt fail anyone, the people who failed the working class were the right in the party who went out of their way to make Corbyn un electable, i have shown you the evidence a few posts back (not as though you needed it) and you still deny what they did, they were paraded in front of the cameras daily to undermine Corbyn, they openly admitted that they plotted his downfall from day one, what's your views on Mandlesons statement about doing something everyday to bring down Corbyn? what's your views Tom?

The people had a choice, they decided to vote for more austerity, more food banks, more living on the street, more wealth to the richest few, and selling off the NHS, nice try but dont try to lay any blame at the feet of Corbyn,

Nothing will change under Smarmer, you have fell for the shiny suit and nice smile,  he promised to unite the party, that was his rallying call to fool the socialist voters to vote for him , some saw through him but not enough, he has already betrayed those people that voted for him

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Corbyn was lucky to be in the party that voted him into the leadership.  The far left of the Labour Party have a long established record of working from within and never giving up. Loyalty was something they gave lip service to without stepping over the boundary that would mean expulsion. Why was that? But the party tolerated them.

 

But before Mr Corbyn made his bid for No 10, the politician spent 36 years voting in Westminster, and was recorded as the second most rebellious Labour MP of all time.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-voting-record-how-labour-voted-tax-brexit-general-election-371975

 

Please read the link. You'll find his voting record on the EU particularly interesting.

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5 hours ago, banjodeano said:

Corbyn didnt fail anyone

You're kidding, surely.

 

He failed every single Labour MP who felt they had to leave, and still got abuse when they left, and still get abuse to this day. For being Jewish and speaking out against Corbyn.

 

He failed every single Jewish person who felt persecuted by the mob mentality and deniers.

 

He failed every Labour voter who was made unwelcome for being a "Blairite".  You thought you didn't need us because of Momentum and the student vote.  You were wrong.

 

And he failed every Labour MP who felt he wasn't capable of the job back in 2016 and told him so in the no confidence vote - all 172 of them.

 

If he'd had the decency to resign then, we might have ended up with a Labour government in the 2017 election.  

 

But no, he clung on to power deluding and surrounding himself with his little band of yes men, and look where it got you - a Tory government landslide that didn't need a coalition with the Lib Dems or the DUP.

 

Remember the phrase "for the many, not the few".  Corbynistas are now the few and you need to go.  I find it so ironic that you said "the right in the party who went out of their way to make Corbyn un electable" when people like you - the left of the party - are going out of their way to do the same with Stamer.

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, alchresearch said:

You're kidding, surely.

 

He failed every single Labour MP who felt they had to leave, and still got abuse when they left, and still get abuse to this day. For being Jewish and speaking out against Corbyn.

 

He failed every single Jewish person who felt persecuted by the mob mentality and deniers.

 

He failed every Labour voter who was made unwelcome for being a "Blairite".  You thought you didn't need us because of Momentum and the student vote.  You were wrong.

 

And he failed every Labour MP who felt he wasn't capable of the job back in 2016 and told him so in the no confidence vote - all 172 of them.

 

If he'd had the decency to resign then, we might have ended up with a Labour government in the 2017 election.  

 

But no, he clung on to power deluding and surrounding himself with his little band of yes men, and look where it got you - a Tory government landslide that didn't need a coalition with the Lib Dems or the DUP.

 

Remember the phrase "for the many, not the few".  Corbynistas are now the few and you need to go.  I find it so ironic that you said "the right in the party who went out of their way to make Corbyn un electable" when people like you - the left of the party - are going out of their way to do the same with Stamer.

 

 

 

 

Ok, so answer me this then, why did they plot his downfall from day one?  Why did they never give him a chance? Serious question..??

If he failed the group's you mentioned, surely they are the ones to blame for not uniting behind him and giving it a go..

1 hour ago, melthebell said:

LOL

 

and around and around we go

 

*gets out the popcorn*

Yeah, we've been here before lol

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4 hours ago, alchresearch said:

I find it so ironic that you said "the right in the party who went out of their way to make Corbyn un electable" when people like you - the left of the party - are going out of their way to do the same with Stamer.

Why ironic?  What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

 

Sure, the progressive and regressive wings of the party should be working together, but unfortunately the die was cast during the Corbyn years.

 

In any case, there is a certain amount of rapprochement happening.  I've seen Paul Mason retweeting Lisa Nandy, for instance.

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30 minutes ago, CaptainSwing said:

Why ironic?  What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

 

Sure, the progressive and regressive wings of the party should be working together, but unfortunately the die was cast during the Corbyn years.

 

In any case, there is a certain amount of rapprochement happening.  I've seen Paul Mason retweeting Lisa Nandy, for instance.

the die was cast during the blair"ite" years, whys the Corbyn years special? both factions have "never" got on

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40 minutes ago, melthebell said:

the die was cast during the blair"ite" years, whys the Corbyn years special? both factions have "never" got on

the die was cast long before then, the hard left have always been part of the labour party but the infiltration of the labour by the "militant tendancy" in the mid 70s probably marks the start of the public face of the factionalism

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2 minutes ago, andyofborg said:

the die was cast long before then, the hard left have always been part of the labour party but the infiltration of the labour by the "militant tendancy" in the mid 70s probably marks the start of the public face of the factionalism

I dont really remember a proper Centre (right) until Nu Labour though for them to really get their teeth into something.

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30 minutes ago, andyofborg said:

the die was cast long before then, the hard left have always been part of the labour party but the infiltration of the labour by the "militant tendancy" in the mid 70s probably marks the start of the public face of the factionalism

The hard left formed the labour party..!!!!... it was formed by the unions to fight for workers rights in parliament, so all this nonsense about the party being infiltrated by the left is laughable, it is the other way round, it has been infiltrated by the right...and what the right is doing in labour i really dont know, how can you have a let and a right in one party? i am still trying to work that one out

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