The Labour Party - Part 2

[Anna B 1,414]

9 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

He’d also have promoted world peace, a cure for cancer and free broadband for everyone.

 

Such a shame that he only got just over 20% of the electorate to vote for him. People must be stupid.

Promoting world peace is an excellent aspiration. Free broadband is also a worthwhile endeavour, the more the government maintains control the less chance of outside intereferance, cyber attacks and hacking. A well resourced, well managed healthservice is good for everyone. So what do you object to.

More people voted for Jeremy Corbyn than any other Labour leader ever, including Tony Blair. 

Pity Boris made the election all about Brexit. That's going well isn't it?

[Pettytom 1]

51 minutes ago, Anna B said:

Promoting world peace is an excellent aspiration. Free broadband is also a worthwhile endeavour, the more the government maintains control the less chance of outside intereferance, cyber attacks and hacking. A well resourced, well managed healthservice is good for everyone. So what do you object to.

More people voted for Jeremy Corbyn than any other Labour leader ever, including Tony Blair. 

Pity Boris made the election all about Brexit. That's going well isn't it?

By people voting for Corbyn, I’m assuming that you mean as Labour leader, not in a general election.

 

Votes only really matter in general elections. Blair managed over 13 million in 1997. Corbyn managed just over 10 million last year. Even his £3 army couldn’t help him.

 

 

Edited November 12, 2020 by Pettytom

[melthebell 863]

25 minutes ago, Anna B said:

Promoting world peace is an excellent aspiration. Free broadband is also a worthwhile endeavour, the more the government maintains control the less chance of outside intereferance, cyber attacks and hacking. A well resourced, well managed healthservice is good for everyone. So what do you object to.

More people voted for Jeremy Corbyn than any other Labour leader ever, including Tony Blair. 

Pity Boris made the election all about Brexit. That's going well isn't it?

erm NO government can stop hacking

[the_bloke 17]

Creating a nationalised broadband service which punished private suppliers unless they gave the government access was a terrible idea. The only people who thought it was a good one were those who didn't understand it.  It would have been good, in the same way the nationalised British Telecom was good.

[Anna B 1,414]

2 hours ago, Pettytom said:

By people voting for Corbyn, I’m assuming that you mean as Labour leader, not in a general election.

 

Votes only really matter in general elections. Blair managed over 13 million in 1997. Corbyn managed just over 10 million last year. Even his £3 army couldn’t help him.

 

 

Tony Blair managed 9,566,618 in his last election in 2005.

Jeremy Corbyn managed 10, 292,354 in 2019 election.

 

In the 2017 snap election he polled 12,877,918 or 40% of the vote.

Conservatives polled 13,636,684 or 42% of the vote, and so became a hung parliament.

on a turnout of 68% the highest for 50 years. 

 

So Corbyn was no lame duck.

[Longcol 602]

24 minutes ago, Anna B said:

In the 2017 snap election he polled 12,877,918 or 40% of the vote.

Conservatives polled 13,636,684 or 42% of the vote, and so became a hung parliament.

on a turnout of 68% the highest for 50 years. 

 

So Corbyn was no lame duck.

Labour were 55 seats behind the Tories in 2017.

[Pettytom 1]

14 minutes ago, Anna B said:

Tony Blair managed 9,566,618 in his last election in 2005.

Jeremy Corbyn managed 10, 292,354 in 2019 election.

 

In the 2017 snap election he polled 12,877,918 or 40% of the vote.

Conservatives polled 13,636,684 or 42% of the vote, and so became a hung parliament.

on a turnout of 68% the highest for 50 years. 

 

So Corbyn was no lame duck.

For a start, 68% turnout is nowhere near the highest for 50 years. You do seem to be a bit casual with your facts, at times. Blair’s 9.5 million votes gave him a majority of 66. You seem to have neglected the effect of the strong Lib Dem vote that year. That certainly wasn’t the case in 2019.

 

Polling 12.8 million votes is not really much use when someone as useless as Theresa May polled 13.6 million.

 

You also have to ask what Corbyn did to squander the reasonably solid base that he inherited. By 2019, he’d lost over 2.5 million votes. 
 

I agree that Corbyn was no lame duck. He wasn’t a duck at all. His inadequacy is partially responsible for the horror show of a government that we are now stuck with.

[banjodeano 31]

6 hours ago, Pettytom said:

I’m not rewriting history, I’m stating obvious facts. Corbyn didn’t need anyone else to undermine him, that was one of his few skills

 

Anyway, much like the US, we now have a competent leader who has a chance of appealing to the only people who count; the electorate 

Of course you are re writing history, the right of the party tried their best to undermine him from day one, the right of the party were trotted out on the news on a near daily basis to say how bad he was,

you seem to have you forgotten this

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/21/peter-mandelson-i-try-to-undermine-jeremy-corbyn-every-day

or the Leaked report shows that staff worked relentlessly to damage the party's leader

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/how-top-labour-officials-plotted-bring-down-corbyn

or perhaps the failed Chicken coup

https://www.mondialisation.ca/the-british-chicken-coup-172-labour-mps-against-a-pro-corbyn-party/5534421

yes the right never tried to undermine him at all did they Tom?

 

 

 

[Pettytom 1]

6 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

Of course you are re writing history, the right of the party tried their best to undermine him from day one, the right of the party were trotted out on the news on a near daily basis to say how bad he was,

you seem to have you forgotten this

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/21/peter-mandelson-i-try-to-undermine-jeremy-corbyn-every-day

or the Leaked report shows that staff worked relentlessly to damage the party's leader

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/how-top-labour-officials-plotted-bring-down-corbyn

or perhaps the failed Chicken coup

https://www.mondialisation.ca/the-british-chicken-coup-172-labour-mps-against-a-pro-corbyn-party/5534421

yes the right never tried to undermine him at all did they Tom?

 

 

 

Ah, here comes Dean with his ragbag of quotes about leaked reports and innuendo. All from impeccable sources of course.

 

Banjo. There’s been a leadership election. The party has a leader. We are ahead in the polls. Starmer has Johnson for breakfast on a daily basis. Get your shoulder to the wheel and work for a Labour government, or join a party that suits you better.

[Anna B 1,414]

20 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

For a start, 68% turnout is nowhere near the highest for 50 years. You do seem to be a bit casual with your facts, at times. Blair’s 9.5 million votes gave him a majority of 66. You seem to have neglected the effect of the strong Lib Dem vote that year. That certainly wasn’t the case in 2019.

 

Polling 12.8 million votes is not really much use when someone as useless as Theresa May polled 13.6 million.

 

You also have to ask what Corbyn did to squander the reasonably solid base that he inherited. By 2019, he’d lost over 2.5 million votes. 
 

I agree that Corbyn was no lame duck. He wasn’t a duck at all. His inadequacy is partially responsible for the horror show of a government that we are now stuck with.

So you're saying that the 'horror show' that is the total inadequacy of the Conservative party is all Corbyn's fault as well? 

Unbelievable....🙄

Are you sure you can't tie in Coronavirus as well? I'm sure if you think hard enough you'll find a way to blame Corbyn for that too.

[banjodeano 31]

3 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

Ah, here comes Dean with his ragbag of quotes about leaked reports and innuendo. All from impeccable sources of course.

 

Banjo. There’s been a leadership election. The party has a leader. We are ahead in the polls. Starmer has Johnson for breakfast on a daily basis. Get your shoulder to the wheel and work for a Labour government, or join a party that suits you better.

And as expected, Tom perfectly dodges a question when it gets a little tricky, 

As for joining a suitable party, why are you actually in what is supposed to be a socialist party Tom?

[Anna B 1,414]

11 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

Ah, here comes Dean with his ragbag of quotes about leaked reports and innuendo. All from impeccable sources of course.

 

Banjo. There’s been a leadership election. The party has a leader. We are ahead in the polls. Starmer has Johnson for breakfast on a daily basis. Get your shoulder to the wheel and work for a Labour government, or join a party that suits you better.

Any party that can expel a decent, honest man like Corbyn on spurious jumped up charges, doesn't deserve support. Nor does Establishment puppet Sir Keir Starmer. I might as well vote Tory.

 

Instead I will certainly be voting for a party that suits me better.

Edited November 12, 2020 by Anna B