The Labour Party - Part 2

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1 hour ago, West 77 said:

The Labour party didn't do well enough as the main opposition party in the recent council elections which would be expected if they were to be a serious challenge at the next general election.  The Labour party's best hope is for Boris Johnson not to lead the Tories in the next general election. The fact  that not one Tory MP has called for Boris to resign after the recent council election results is bad news for the Labour party. 

Johnson currently has poorer poll ratings than the Tory party as a whole.

 

Rawnsley's opinion piece from Sunday, Boris Johnson’s Tories exhibit the morbid symptoms of a fin-de-siècle regime, ends with:

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You can make a good case that these elections produced a worst-of-all worlds result for the Conservative party. The losses are bad enough to leave many of the Tories’ footsoldiers feeling sore and furious. They are painful enough to increase the already elevated levels of fractiousness among MPs. They are threatening enough to sharpen the feeling that their deeply unpopular leader is a drag anchor on their fortunes. These elections darken the weather for the Tory party. But they were not so catastrophic as to trigger such a deluge of panic among Tory MPs that they will immediately resolve to remove him. And that was probably the best result of all for the opposition parties, though not for the country.

 

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2 hours ago, West 77 said:

The only polls that matter are real election results and real referendum results.  As Dromedary pointed out the polls predicted that the Labour party would at least be the largest party after the 1992 general election. The polls predicted that Remain would win the 2016 EU referendum.  The polls gave Theresa May a big lead after the council elections in 2017 and predicted a landslide victory for the Tories if a snap election was called. 

Re: the bit at the end of the linked article:

 

So we are just going to end up with another two years of government policies geared towards keeping Johnson in post as various ministers jockey to position themselves as his successor rather than them getting on with sorting out the problems we face.

 

That's just what the country needs.

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8 minutes ago, altus said:

Re: the bit at the end of the linked article:

 

So we are just going to end up with another two years of government policies geared towards keeping Johnson in post as various ministers jockey to position themselves as his successor rather than them getting on with sorting out the problems we face.

 

That's just what the country needs.

But it was a Guardian article though and to corrupt a well know phrase " they would say that wouldn't they" ..... 

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6 hours ago, Mister M said:

You'd like that, Britain, or what will be left of it, under permanent Tory rule, with an incompetent, lying elite at the top

Whats the alternative ?

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4 hours ago, West 77 said:

Never clicked on your link.

I quoted the last paragraph, which is what mu last comment referred to.

 

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The Tories won an eighty seat majority which entitles them to rule for a full term should they choose to  do so. It also entitles them to choose amongst themselves whether they wish to change leader before the next general election. It's the opposition parties who haven't been interested in the democratically elected government getting on and sorting out the problems we face.

Yet again you demonstrate that you don't understand how our parliamentary system works and the official purpose of her majesty's loyal opposition. They would be failing in their duty if they just agreed with everything the government proposes.

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14 hours ago, West 77 said:

Never clicked on your link. 

 

The Tories won an eighty seat majority which entitles them to rule for a full term should they choose to  do so. It also entitles them to choose amongst themselves whether they wish to change leader before the next general election. It's the opposition parties who haven't been interested in the democratically elected government getting on and sorting out the problems we face. 

 

 

Never think that Labour supporters are supporters of fair play or rules, hence Beergate.

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1 hour ago, West 77 said:

To be fair members of all political parties behave similar.  However, Keir Starmer has taken hypocrisy to a new level.

Not until he's found guilty and fined. Then if he does do what he said and resigns that gives him more honour than the current lying cheating bags of ****e in government

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14 minutes ago, West 77 said:

One rule for Boris and another rule for the hypocrite Keir Starmer.

Not quite, Starmer hasn't lied about the event taking place, he didn't lie about attending, he didn't lie to parliament, and he's not the PM responsible for setting policy in the first place.

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Starmer is safe, he has friends up that way

 

 

https://www.joy4durhampcc.com/

 

As for him being a "man of honour and integrity" as all the Labour MPs have been told to tweet, I'm reminded of when he stuck his beak into this case:

 

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Crown Prosecution Service lawyers had been prepared to back away from one of the most controversial cases in years, telling Chambers that they no longer saw a public interest in opposing his appeal against conviction. Chambers had said he felt "immense relief" that the prosecution – which had seen him lose two jobs and gain a criminal record – appeared to be over and that the authorities seemed ready to restore his good name.
 

The CPS even sent Chambers and his solicitor, free-speech campaigner David Allen Green, papers stating that it now agreed that the case should end. However, at the last minute the DPP, former human rights lawyer Keir Starmer, overruled his subordinates

Shame he couldn't overrule his subordinates for other more worthy cases....

'Twitter joke' case only went ahead at insistence of DPP

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2012/jul/29/paul-chambers-twitter-joke-airport

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1 hour ago, West 77 said:

If Keir Starmer was the man of principle and honour he claims to be he would have resigned as soon as it was known the Durham police  force was investigating him.  You've obviously forgot Keir Starmer told Boris to resign in January as soon as became known the Met police were investigating him.  One rule for Boris and another rule for the hypocrite Keir Starmer. Unlike Boris, Keir Starmer isn't a honourable man otherwise he would have stated he will accept and pay a fixed penalty notice if given to him. The small Durham police force will be foolish if they issued a fixed penalty notice regarding a trivial matter to someone who formerly  held the position of director of public prosecutions and risk a legal challenge. The policy of the Durham police force is to issue warnings to individuals thought to have breached covid rules for a first time. With the added pressure Keir Starmer has placed on the Durham police force by saying he will resign if given a fixed penalty notice the chances are almost zero the Durham police force will issue him with a fixed penalty notice.

Are you malfunctioning?

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18 minutes ago, sibon said:

Are you malfunctioning?

Relative to what normative state?

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2 hours ago, sibon said:

Are you malfunctioning?

He's just getting ready to claim Starmer was only not given an PFN because of the pressure he put on the Durham police.