The Labour Party - Part 2

[Anna B 1,414]

I've just heard Owen Jones referring to himself more than once as 'a Democrat' (Jeremy Vine, Monday 21st March 2022, Channel 5.)  Thus avoiding calling himself 'Labour.'

Interesting...

Is he distancing himself from Starmer's Labour while maintaining his Labour credentials?

Actually IMO the British public have been so brainwashed against Labour, changing the name to 'Democrats' isn't a bad idea, if it gets people away from thinking the Labour party is only for the poor. 

 

[Ridgewalk 99]

On 10/03/2022 at 08:14, West 77 said:

Bercow hasn't been a Tory since he took on the role of speaker. It's doubtful he was ever really a Tory in the first place. His wife isn't even a Tory. 

In his student days he was a member of the Federation of Conservative Students, which was so right wing it was purged by the Conservative party as being too right wing.

[Ridgewalk 99]

3 minutes ago, Anna B said:

I've just heard Owen Jones referring to himself more than once as 'a Democrat' (Jeremy Vine, Monday 21st March 2022, Channel 5.)  Thus avoiding calling himself 'Labour.'

Interesting...

Is he distancing himself from Starmer's Labour while maintaining his Labour credentials?

Actually IMO the British public have been so brainwashed against Labour, changing the name to 'Democrats' isn't a bad idea, if it gets people away from thinking the Labour party is only for the poor. 

 

What is the Labour Party for these days ?  A councillor , for Manor I think, left the party  last week claiming its lack of principles of fairness and justice as the reason, and stating that it was abandoning principle and morality for short term political opportunism. 
 

I seem to recollect you favoured Jess Phillips during the Labour Leadership campaign. She fits the new “ way” perfectly.

 

I’m still, surprisingly, a Party member, god knows how.  I’ve been persuaded to do so for tactical reasons. I’ve voted Labour all my life, I’m now 68, and can’t envisage ever voting for them again.

 

 

[Anna B 1,414]

47 minutes ago, Ridgewalk said:

What is the Labour Party for these days ?  A councillor , for Manor I think, left the party  last week claiming its lack of principles of fairness and justice as the reason, and stating that it was abandoning principle and morality for short term political opportunism. 
 

I seem to recollect you favoured Jess Phillips during the Labour Leadership campaign. She fits the new “ way” perfectly.

 

I’m still, surprisingly, a Party member, god knows how.  I’ve been persuaded to do so for tactical reasons. I’ve voted Labour all my life, I’m now 68, and can’t envisage ever voting for them again.

 

 

The Labour party is certainly a mess at the moment, with a brainwashed public and (IMO) a particularly poor leader.

 

It is divided right down the middle with the unbrainwashed supporters (who were particularly outraged with Starmer's turn coat treatment of Corbyn) refusing to vote Labour while he is in charge, and the other half who will continue to vote Labour because they believe Labour still has their best interests at heart (and there seems to be precious few of them.)

Labour is never going to get into power until this changes.

 

In fact, there is actually very little difference between current Labour and the Conservative party at the moment, and it is not the sort of unity that benefits us all, far from it. We are not talking about Covid or UKraine where some unity of mind may be beneficial, even Brexit which won Boris the last election, but the everyday situations that are grossly unfair (and Boris chose to ignore) yet are ongoing and need a strong Labour with Labour values to put right. 

Starmer is not it. However there seem to be few /no candidates (including Jess Phillips) in the current Labour party who fit the bill.

 

People keep urging Corbyn, now an Independent MP, to start a new party and stand again, but the Tory owned media will see to it that he, (or anyone else displaying his principles,) never see the light of day.

Edited March 21, 2022 by Anna B

[El Cid 216]

34 minutes ago, Anna B said:

The Labour party is certainly a mess at the moment, with a brainwashed public and (IMO) a particularly poor leader.

 

It is divided right down the middle

Many voters dont like Boris Johnson, but the unhappiness within the Tory party is seldom raised.

[Anna B 1,414]

4 minutes ago, El Cid said:

Many voters dont like Boris Johnson, but the unhappiness within the Tory party is seldom raised.

True.

But they keep getting into power, so they can carry on doing what they're doing. It's difficult to argue with that.

 

It helps that the British public is historically of a rather servile mind and in awe of the 'upper class.' Aided and abetted by a generally favourable media. 

Even after 100years Labour is seen as the impudent, unreliable upstart in the proceedings and easy to malign.

[Ridgewalk 99]

22 hours ago, Anna B said:

The Labour party is certainly a mess at the moment, with a brainwashed public and (IMO) a particularly poor leader.

 

It is divided right down the middle with the unbrainwashed supporters (who were particularly outraged with Starmer's turn coat treatment of Corbyn) refusing to vote Labour while he is in charge, and the other half who will continue to vote Labour because they believe Labour still has their best interests at heart (and there seems to be precious few of them.)

Labour is never going to get into power until this changes.

 

In fact, there is actually very little difference between current Labour and the Conservative party at the moment, and it is not the sort of unity that benefits us all, far from it. We are not talking about Covid or UKraine where some unity of mind may be beneficial, even Brexit which won Boris the last election, but the everyday situations that are grossly unfair (and Boris chose to ignore) yet are ongoing and need a strong Labour with Labour values to put right. 

Starmer is not it. However there seem to be few /no candidates (including Jess Phillips) in the current Labour party who fit the bill.

 

People keep urging Corbyn, now an Independent MP, to start a new party and stand again, but the Tory owned media will see to it that he, (or anyone else displaying his principles,) never see the light of day.

Unfortunately this is probably where Jeremy Corbyn lets the side down. He seems wedded to the Labour Party. To be fair he’s probably too old and beaten down to start a new party, which if it happened would grow to have a bigger membership than the Labour Party.

[sheffbag 227]

36 minutes ago, Ridgewalk said:

Unfortunately this is probably where Jeremy Corbyn lets the side down. He seems wedded to the Labour Party. To be fair he’s probably too old and beaten down to start a new party, which if it happened would grow to have a bigger membership than the Labour Party.

When are people going to give up on the failed experiment about Corbyn. What a load of cobblers that a Corbyn party would have bigger membership than the Labour Party. The only way that would happen would be if the unions decided to throw their toys out of the cot and go control a different party.

 

Even then membership means absolutely nothing. Anna loved to bleat on about how Labour "had the biggest membership in Europe of any party because of Saint Jeremy". It made ZERO difference  in the polls didnt it? a Corbyn led party managed to lose to Teresa May and Boris Johnson, two of potentially the worst PM'sin living history and Corbyn manged to pull a Footesque humiliation yet "the comrades" still believe he is popular.

 

Comments like calling Corbyn fans the "unbrainwashed" (Annas comment above) indicating that anyone who doesnt support Corbyn has been brain washed and unable to think for themselves is part of the reason why Corbyn lost the election.

 

Give it up and try concentrating on getting back into power for the first time in 50 years why not (considering that most Corbyn fans dont accept 10 years of Labour power under a successful PM as a Labour government)

[El Cid 216]

22 hours ago, Anna B said:

It helps that the British public is historically of a rather servile mind and in awe of the 'upper class.' Aided and abetted by a generally favourable media. 

Even after 100years Labour is seen as the impudent, unreliable upstart in the proceedings and easy to malign.

And also they believe that the Tories are good with the economy. But now we have RPI inflation at 7.8% and heading towards double figures. Massive borrowing and calls for more help with increasing fuel costs.

If the listen to the masses the country will be bankrupt.

[alchresearch 214]

On 21/03/2022 at 12:24, Anna B said:

True.

But they keep getting into power, so they can carry on doing what they're doing. It's difficult to argue with that.

But the red wall vote which won it for them was a borrowed vote

 

Quote

"You may only have lent us your vote, you may not see yourself as a natural Tory.

 

And as I think I said 11 years ago to the people of London when I was elected in what was thought of as a Labour city, your

hand may quivered over the ballot paper before you put your cross in the Conservative box.

 

"And you may think you will return to Labour next time around. And if that is the case, I am humbled that you have put your trust in me, that you have put your trust in us, and I and we will never take your support for granted."

I can't see him getting it again.

[sheffbag 227]

On 21/03/2022 at 10:51, Anna B said:

I've just heard Owen Jones referring to himself more than once as 'a Democrat' (Jeremy Vine, Monday 21st March 2022, Channel 5.)  Thus avoiding calling himself 'Labour.'

Interesting...

Is he distancing himself from Starmer's Labour while maintaining his Labour credentials?

Actually IMO the British public have been so brainwashed against Labour, changing the name to 'Democrats' isn't a bad idea, if it gets people away from thinking the Labour party is only for the poor. 

 

From his Twitter bio

Socialist, antifascist, Guardian columnist, author, podcaster, YouTuber, geriatric millennial. He/him

 

no mention of democrat and lets face it, who cares what an irrelevent podcaster describes himself as. Why he gets media time is beyond me, perhaps its "because im not a socialist so i wouldnt understand" 

[hackey lad 3,965]

1 hour ago, sheffbag said:

From his Twitter bio

Socialist, antifascist, Guardian columnist, author, podcaster, YouTuber, geriatric millennial. He/him

 

no mention of democrat and lets face it, who cares what an irrelevent podcaster describes himself as. Why he gets media time is beyond me, perhaps its "because im not a socialist so i wouldnt understand" 

At one time he was known as the housewives favourite