The Labour Party - Part 2

[The Joker 10]

7 hours ago, Baron99 said:

Emily Thornberry, (Lady Nugee), Socialist firebrand, defender of the working class.  Hmmm? 

What's your favourite Tory policy that has benefitted the working classes ?

 

The bedroom tax?  Taking away their school meals?  Or taking their homes to pay for their care in old age ?

 

I'm old enough to remember the chants of "Maggie Thatcher, Milk Snatcher" where I werea lad.  I still blame that act today for given me scurvy and the rickets when I was at school.

 

Now I would never have thought that just one generation on from that, you'd be advocating taking away our hot meals too.

 

 

 

[sheffbag 227]

16 hours ago, sheffbag said:

Jon Trickett - 71 and been an MP for 25 years already - been a member of the shadow cabinet 3 times. thats hardly "quietly building a good profile" and his age would be a concern given by the next election he will be 73/4 and the election after 78/9.

 

Ed Milliband - Well that went well last time so why not

 

Andy Burnham -  Dont you have to be an MP to be leader of a political party?

 

and the same Emily Thornbury who

Sent a tweet slagging off the people of Rochester which cost her the front bench job she had

Compared the Lib Dems to the Taliban

Slagged off the MPs who left the party to a rally/meeting making personal comments about them

 

But of course, all 4 are friends of his holiness the independent MP and overseer of the BIGGEST LOSS in modern times for the Labour party JC. 

 

16 hours ago, Anna B said:

So give us a clue. Who would you suggest? 

 

Its not my place to suggest anyone Anna. YOU were the one who for some reason decided to ask who should replace Starmer when he is under no threat of being removed by his party. You put names forward that i have challenged.

 

You want to know who i would suggest to replace Kier Starmer, so i will reply and give you right to reply to my opinion.

 

No one

 

and the reason i say that is that Kier Starmer is the best chance Labour have at present of gaining power as a leader who is more centrist and appealing to voters.

 

The JC experiment failed and you have to admit it. The results bear it out regardless of your personal opinion of the man. 

Labour as a "socialist" party is dead to the voters in the 21st century. They haven't won an election since 1974 (and they needed 2 attempts at that) so that is 50 years of rejection. The world has moved on and Labour haven't. Sorry but that is real life. The only reason Blair won is because he recognised this and moved Labour to a more central position and this appealed to the voters (the ones that really matter) . As a result of this Labour had more than 10 years of power where they could introduce change to the country.

 

The "old" Labour party cannot do anything except bleat about and wave their papers from the wrong side of the HOC. I speak as a person who has voted Labour in the past, i couldn't give them my vote now. Certainly not in the JC era because he was, frankly IMHO, a blithering idiot who got put into the job by the unions because they saw him as someone who they could control.

 

Regardless of what you think the british public have time and time again rejected Labour as a party to run the country. They have managed to lose to John Major, Teresa May and Boris Johnson! That says it all. IF Starmer can bring the centre vote back and exploit this then Labour may have a chance in a couple of years. Anyone else(certainly the 4 you suggested) would fail. Even Angela Raynor, who is most likely to go for the job next time it comes up would fail because she is seen too much as a Socialist and a JC hangover. 

 

Labour should concentrate on what will get them into power, as that is the only thing that matters. You cannot implement change or policies if you dont have the numbers in parliament to back it up. 

 

So my answer is no one. Get behind Starmer, pick a direction to go forward with (which was a major downfall of Corbyn as he couldn't commit to a decision to save his life), stick to it and see what happens. if that contrasts with your views then vote for a different party that supports the views you believe in, thats the voters choice.

[El Cid 220]

6 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Not a bad performance from Sir Keir Starmer when replying to the Boris address of the nation.  Thank goodness the Corbyn chap is no longer the Labour leader.

My word, that is a compliment, coming from you. Yes we should support ways to reduce COVID, what ever its called.

There maybe amendments, not sure if I like vaccine passorts.

[Chekhov 488]

Labour, by supporting Vaccine Passports,  have just confirmed I will never ever vote for them again. 

[Dromedary 166]

2 hours ago, Chekhov said:

Labour, by supporting Vaccine Passports,  have just confirmed I will never ever vote for them again. 

I think Starmer has just trashed any chance of Labour being in power for a very long time, if ever. He needed to appeal to the younger voters and all this will do is just help turn them off Labour. 

[catmiss 12]

Admittedly I’m of the older generation but I quite admire Labour stance re Public Health over party politics. ‘Vaccine passports’ is a misnomer as negative lateral flow or medical certificate is equally valid. 

[Chekhov 488]

9 hours ago, catmiss said:

Admittedly I’m of the older generation but I quite admire Labour stance re Public Health over party politics. ‘Vaccine passports’ is a misnomer as negative lateral flow or medical certificate is equally valid. 

Err, you are forgetting that vaccine passports have not worked any where in the world (including in Scotland & Wales, different parts of the same country). The vaccine does not stop you catching Covid or passing it on. No, vaccine passports are about confidence building amongst the ignorant and irrationally frightened.

Starmer must know that and therefore his support for VPs is more about virtue signalling (always a Labour speciality) and trying to appeal to as many people as poss because the polls keep telling us that a majority of the population are in favour of anything that keeps them safe.

BUT, whatever short term poll increase his shameless populism gives him in the long term it will cost Labour. I have never voted Tory before but I will never vote Labour again, ever.

 

The proof Starmer is just virtue signalling and appealing to frightened ignorance, he must know this :

The Times 23 Aug 21 p35 :
The former head of the vaccine taskforce [Clive Dix] has spoken out against the policy of "jabs for jobs", arguing that young people do not need to be double jabbed to go back to the office. Mr Dix said that many companies were ignorant of what double vaccination meant for their staff .  He told The Sunday Telegraph "if people are young and they get double vaccinated they'll probably get slightly less illness than if they're single dosed but most of them will be fine either way. Vaccination doesn't actually completely stop transmission, it just slows it down a bit.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jabs-for-jobs-unnecessary-says-ex-head-of-vaccine-taskforce-clive-dix-tp3zgqvzz

[El Cid 220]

51 minutes ago, Chekhov said:

Err, you are forgetting that vaccine passports have not worked any where in the world (including in Scotland & Wales, different parts of the same country).

 

I dont like the idea of vaccine passports, but I would assume that such measures would discourage normality, so the numbers going to nightclubs will be reduced.

I dont support measures that dont offer support for the bussinesses affected.

[Chekhov 488]

4 minutes ago, El Cid said:

I dont like the idea of vaccine passports, but I would assume that such measures would discourage normality, so the numbers going to nightclubs will be reduced.

I dont support measures that dont offer support for the bussinesses affected.

That is one thing for me, and other desperate to get back to normal, to cling on to.

The government knows it cannot afford to reintroduce the furlough, the economy already has more than enough comeupance on the way..... And without the furlough then support for all this nonsense will drop off much more quickly.

Edited December 15, 2021 by Chekhov

[Jeffrey Shaw 90]

On 13/12/2021 at 17:38, sheffbag said:

Dont you have to be an MP to be leader of a political party?

No. See Sir Alec Douglas-Home and many 18th/19th century PMs too.

[Guest sibon]

2 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Nigel Farage is the best example of a leader of a political party who has never been a MP.

He is indeed.

 

He isn't even a member of the Tory party, yet he's been leading them for years.

[hackey lad 3,972]

48 minutes ago, sibon said:

He is indeed.

 

He isn't even a member of the Tory party, yet he's been leading them for years.

What a silly statement