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The Labour Party - Part 2

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9 hours ago, sheffbag said:

 

 

"Changing lives or shouting slogans" - Great response to the hecklers yesterday and his speech actually made me, as a former Labour voter, think that perhaps this guy can win an election and offer me a prospect to vote Labour again.

His speech was good, BUT, the thing that puts me off, ive not looked into it tbh, is if he changes his views dependent on the weather, and swaps policies similarly, i want a pm who says we'll do this, and then tries to do it, not changes tact the following week and does the opposite, we have enough with that with johnson and friends at the minute and their u turns

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1 hour ago, Tony said:

Inflation is how governments get rid of their debt. Covid could be a trillion quid.

 

Just saying.

Interesting going on what you’ve previously said about inflation.

 

https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/search/?&q=Inflation&page=1&author=Tony&search_and_or=or

 

This is my favorite.

https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/topic/227085-2010-general-election-megathread/page/81/?tab=comments#comment-4173808

 

Edited by Mister Gee

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4 hours ago, altus said:

It is, by and large, left leaning. It's centre-left though so, from your perspective, it might not look like it. It is a myth that it invariably supports the Labour party.

The Guardian describes itself as 'liberal', which can cover a multitude of sins.  From your perspective it might look like it's centre-left, but your perspective has been coloured by the post-Thatcherite Newspeak, in which 'centre-left' means centre-right.

 

One columnist who could plausibly be described as centre-left is Will Hutton, who I often agree with.  Chakrabortty too probably.  But the vast majority of Guardian columnists are definitely right of centre - Freedland, Behr, Katy Balls, Rawnsley, Jenkins, d'Ancona (formerly), Cohen (at least some of the time) etc. etc.

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54 minutes ago, CaptainSwing said:

The Guardian describes itself as 'liberal', which can cover a multitude of sins.  From your perspective it might look like it's centre-left, but your perspective has been coloured by the post-Thatcherite Newspeak, in which 'centre-left' means centre-right.

 

One columnist who could plausibly be described as centre-left is Will Hutton, who I often agree with.  Chakrabortty too probably.  But the vast majority of Guardian columnists are definitely right of centre - Freedland, Behr, Katy Balls, Rawnsley, Jenkins, d'Ancona (formerly), Cohen (at least some of the time) etc. etc.

The trouble with defining things on an arbitrary scale is that it all depends upon the individual’s starting point.

 

For most of the U.K. electorate, The Guardian is a left wing paper and the Sun is a right wing one.


It doesn’t matter a jot what Momentum think, as they aren’t going to affect the outcome of the next election. That’s just simple arithmetic.

 

Maybe, the message for Labour is that they need to realise that and set course accordingly 

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6 minutes ago, sibon said:

The trouble with defining things on an arbitrary scale is that it all depends upon the individual’s starting point.

 

For most of the U.K. electorate, The Guardian is a left wing paper and the Sun is a right wing one.


It doesn’t matter a jot what Momentum think, as they aren’t going to affect the outcome of the next election. That’s just simple arithmetic.

 

Maybe, the message for Labour is that they need to realise that and set course accordingly 

All about the playing field. Dan hodges has it right.

 

the tories can now play both halves.

 

Labour can only play one.

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10 minutes ago, makapaka said:

All about the playing field. Dan hodges has it right.

 

the tories can now play both halves.

 

Labour can only play one.

I’m not certain that you are right.

 

The Tories are about to enter a different phase of government. Not necessarily one that will reflect well on them.

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27 minutes ago, sibon said:

I’m not certain that you are right.

 

The Tories are about to enter a different phase of government. Not necessarily one that will reflect well on them.

i wish - but they’ve sewn it up - very clever by the tories 

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13 hours ago, Mister Gee said:

Why is it your favourite @Mister Gee? It seems like a perfectly on-point comment in May 2010.

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49 minutes ago, CaptainSwing said:

But a not for profit independent company is not nationalisation. When a company is nationalised its taken into Government control.

Network Rail manages the national rail infrastructure. It will manage all other aspects of train travel too – from ticketing to timetabling. The government insists this is not re-nationalisation.

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10 hours ago, sibon said:

The trouble with defining things on an arbitrary scale is that it all depends upon the individual’s starting point.

 

For most of the U.K. electorate, The Guardian is a left wing paper and the Sun is a right wing one.


It doesn’t matter a jot what Momentum think, as they aren’t going to affect the outcome of the next election. That’s just simple arithmetic.

 

Maybe, the message for Labour is that they need to realise that and set course accordingly 

With regards to newspapers it's not a level playing field, it's about circulation, readership and demographics.

The readership of the Guardian for example is much smaller than the Sun, and the Sun is arguably read by more 'working class' people who might have traditionally voted Labour, but are affected by the right wing  influences in the paper to change their vote.

 

Most of the Red Top  newspapers are similarly placed. In effect, our governments are chosen by Rupert Murdoch and his ilk.   

Edited by Anna B

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3 minutes ago, Anna B said:

With regards to newspapers it's not a level playing field, it's about circulation, readership and demographics.

The readership of the Guardian for example is much smaller than the Sun, and the Sun is arguably read by more 'working class' people who might have traditionally voted Labour, but are affected by the right wing  influences in the paper to change their vote

Most of the Red Top  newspapers are similarly placed. Basically our governments are chosen by Rupert Murdoch and his ilk. 

The Sun is very right wing. I personally think the term working class should no longer be used, perhaps in the day it was read by the manufacturing sector, but that has declined. When we discuss class, we should now speak about whether someone is left/right wing economically and right/left wing socially. I am right/center wing economically, but left wing socially.

People are now wealthier than back in the day when people bought a daily newspaper, thanks to the minimum wage and tax credits, both Labour policies.

 

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