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The Labour Party - Part 2

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The deflection is strong here isn't it.

 

Lots of 'but the Tories..` going on as if the publication of the report should be ignored because the Conservative party has it's own mess.

 

Plus arguing that a man in court who advocated rascist anti semite views and told people to support Corbyn or get out of the party may or not be a Corbyn supporter is frankly ridiculous, especially in the context of the report published yesterday.

 

'But Corbyn isn't an anti-semite..' - actions speak louder than words, and he was at the helm when all this went down. If you want to blame Boris Johnson for racism in the Conservative party, then accept that you have to blame Corbyn for anti semitism  in the Labour party else you are being a hypocrite.

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1 hour ago, Pettytom said:

That does appear to be their current tactic of choice.

It was certainly the tactic of choice of the right wing of the party in the last two elections - and very successfully carried through too.

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11 minutes ago, melthebell said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54742096

 

Lol, the party has been split years

Let’s face it. Wouldn’t really make a difference would it. They’ve lost every election since 79 if you believe the anti Blair brigade and JC managed to lose to both Theresa May AND Boris Johnson then they can’t really do much worse.

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1 hour ago, CaptainSwing said:

It was certainly the tactic of choice of the right wing of the party in the last two elections - and very successfully carried through too.

To be fair, Corbyn gave them a pretty big helping hand.

 

I dispute the idea that the right wing deliberately destabilised him anyway. There really was no need. 

2 hours ago, Ridgewalk said:

Which anti semites did he fail to control ?

You can read the report for details 

 

In the meantime, it’s still going on.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/len-mccluskey-antisemitism-peter-mandelson-gold-labour-b1176745.html%3famp

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The loss of Corbyn is the loss of any real opposition to the rampant Conservatism  /Neoliberalism we have seen growing over the last 40 years, and the loss of any real democracy. The closet Tories in the Labour party are now in charge, and Labour may well be allowed to win the next election just for appearances sake, but rampant Capitalism will continue apace because nobody is prepared to stop it, or even try.

Occupy tried (remember them) or at least they tried to draw attention to it, but their message was drowned out by the media. If you rememberanything about them at all, it will be the fact that they occupied the space outside the Cathedral, not why they were there because we never got round to discussing that did we? Sound familiar?  

Corbyn tried. He rose on the tide of this, as a democratic alternative, and look what happened to him.The Unions have tried, but they too have been diminished to the point of obscurity by draconian measures and the loss of civil liberties put in place by Thatcher. Individuals have tried to inform people but are dismissed as conspiracy theorists peddling 'fake news.'.....

 

So now they have succeeded in stacking the deck, and there is nothing will stop them. All the power is in their hands.That won't worry most people at the moment, because most won't even know what Neoliberalism is, or what I'm talking about. 

 

But they will.

 

When mass unemployment hits, when the NHS is privatised even further, then dismantled altogether. When more and more people are homeless and living  on the streets, when only foodbanks stand between families and hunger/starvation, when old and disabled are left to fend for themselves, when anxiety and worry leads to a mental health crisis and growing suicide rates......,   maybe then people will wish they'd listened and done something when they still could.

 

Most of you will think this is an exageration and could never happen to  you. Try doing some research. Everyone of those things is happening right now thanks to Neoliberalism, and is set to get a whole lot worse and encompass more and more of you. Remember Capitalism is a system that has winners and losers. Rampant Capitalism has very few winners, but an enormous number of losers, and those who think they are 'safe'  are going to get an almighty shock. 

 

Who is going to fight for you?

Edited by Anna B

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Great post Anna (as usual)

Fully agree with what you've posted.

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19 minutes ago, Anna B said:

The loss of Corbyn is the loss of any real opposition to the rampant Conservatism  /Neoliberalism we have seen growing over the last 40 years, and the loss of any real democracy. The closet Tories in the Labour party are now in charge, and Labour may well be allowed to win the next election just for appearances sake, but rampant Capitalism will continue apace because nobody is prepared to stop it, or even try.

Occupy tried (remember them) or at least they tried to draw attention to it, but their message was drowned out by the media. If you rememberanything about them at all, it will be the fact that they occupied the space outside the Cathedral, not why they were there because we never got round to discussing that did we? Sound familiar?  

 

I remember another group protesting outside Sheffield cathedral.

 

349648.jpg

 

 

We got rid of those filthy racists too, mainly through allowing them to speak freely in this very forum, and letting them dig their own hole. Not much changes when it comes to filthy racists, they all self destruct sooner or later. 

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3 minutes ago, Tony said:

I remember another group protesting outside Sheffield cathedral.

 

349648.jpg

 

 

We got rid of those filthy racists too, mainly through allowing them to speak freely in this very forum, and letting them dig their own hole. Not much changes when it comes to filthy racists, they all self destruct sooner or later. 

Heh heh I love that photo

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48 minutes ago, Anna B said:

Try doing some research.

You first.  Start with anti-semitism in the Labour party.  A report has just been published.

Edited by Arnold_Lane

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57 minutes ago, Anna B said:

The loss of Corbyn is the loss of any real opposition to the rampant Conservatism  /Neoliberalism we have seen growing over the last 40 years, and the loss of any real democracy. The closet Tories in the Labour party are now in charge, and Labour may well be allowed to win the next election just for appearances sake, but rampant Capitalism will continue apace because nobody is prepared to stop it, or even try.

Occupy tried (remember them) or at least they tried to draw attention to it, but their message was drowned out by the media. If you rememberanything about them at all, it will be the fact that they occupied the space outside the Cathedral, not why they were there because we never got round to discussing that did we? Sound familiar?  

Corbyn tried. He rose on the tide of this, as a democratic alternative, and look what happened to him.The Unions have tried, but they too have been diminished to the point of obscurity by draconian measures and the loss of civil liberties put in place by Thatcher. Individuals have tried to inform people but are dismissed as conspiracy theorists peddling 'fake news.'.....

 

So now they have succeeded in stacking the deck, and there is nothing will stop them. All the power is in their hands.That won't worry most people at the moment, because most won't even know what Neoliberalism is, or what I'm talking about. 

 

But they will.

 

When mass unemployment hits, when the NHS is privatised even further, then dismantled altogether. When more and more people are homeless and living  on the streets, when only foodbanks stand between families and hunger/starvation, when old and disabled are left to fend for themselves, when anxiety and worry leads to a mental health crisis and growing suicide rates......,   maybe then people will wish they'd listened and done something when they still could.

 

Most of you will think this is an exageration and could never happen to  you. Try doing some research. Everyone of those things is happening right now thanks to Neoliberalism, and is set to get a whole lot worse and encompass more and more of you. Remember Capitalism is a system that has winners and losers. Rampant Capitalism has very few winners, but an enormous number of losers, and those who think they are 'safe'  are going to get an almighty shock. 

 

Who is going to fight for you?

If corbyn hadn't been in charge at the last election, I'd suggest Johnson wouldn't be in charge, or at least with much reduced majority.

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57 minutes ago, Tony said:

I remember another group protesting outside Sheffield cathedral.

 

349648.jpg

 

 

We got rid of those filthy racists too, mainly through allowing them to speak freely in this very forum, and letting them dig their own hole. Not much changes when it comes to filthy racists, they all self destruct sooner or later. 

Nothing to do with occupy, but a nice swerve ball.

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4 hours ago, Anna B said:

There probably are. Simply by the law of averages that is possible, but then that's also got to be true of the Tory party. 

And Corbyn did his best to root them out. He is no anti-semitic, far from it.

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, your claim that Corbyn did try his best to root out anti-semitism within the party is true. The EHRC report shows that he failed in that task. Do you think it appropriate for the Labour Party to have a leader who is incapable of dealing with anti-semitism within the party?

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