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The Labour Party - Part 2

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People who get personal with any further attacks in the thread will be suspended. As will any individuals using wording like Smarmer instead of Starmer etc.

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18 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

So, are you saying that the EHRC findings are a direct result of the PLP not supporting Corbyn?

 

I’m sure that you understand that he was the leader of the PLP and therefore he should have been able to command their support. Starmer is doing that. Ask yourself why the two are different.

 

Starmer is the current, democratically elected leader of the Labour Party. He deserves the support of the party, even those in the minority, who didn’t vote for him.

Corbyn was the previous, democratically elected leader of the Labour Party.  He deserved the support of the party, even those in the minority, who didn't vote for him.  But he never got it.

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1 minute ago, CaptainSwing said:

Corbyn was the previous, democratically elected leader of the Labour Party.  He deserved the support of the party, even those in the minority, who didn't vote for him.  But he never got it.

I see that you dodged the rest of my post.

 

Corbyn was leader. It was his job to command the respect of the party. He failed . It also seems that he failed to control the anti-semites.

 

The left have two choices. I’m sure that I don’t have to spell them out. But I would just like to say “Change UK” is looking for a new direction.

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14 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

I see that you dodged the rest of my post.

 

Corbyn was leader. It was his job to command the respect of the party. He failed . It also seems that he failed to control the anti-semites.

 

The left have two choices. I’m sure that I don’t have to spell them out. But I would just like to say “Change UK” is looking for a new direction.

Maybe his attempts to control the anti-semites would have had better results if the PLP had supported him in that work, rather than using the whole issue as a blatant (and entirely successful) attempt to undermine him.

 

What do you think the two choices open to the left are?  Is one of them to try and undermine the current leadership, to ensure that Labour doesn't get elected next time around either?

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6 hours ago, Anna B said:

Ecconoob, it's always been a conspiracy against Corbyn, I've been saying it for years as you very well know.

 

Well the conspiritors win, for now, but it is a Pyrrhic victory, which will become more and more apparent as we go into the futiure. The poor will be ground down as they always are, but poverty is climbing up the social classes and will soon be coming for a fair number of Tory voters who will wish that they too had a figure like Corbyn to fight for them. 

 

Real democracy is dead. Neoliberalism and fascism is very unattractive prospect except for the 1% elite and needs an exceptionally strong and determined challenger to counter it. That is not Starmer. Bear that in mind when you or yours are visiting the food bank.

 

 

So you're saying that the report is full of falsehoods & you're quite happy to throw your support behind an individual who associates with anti-Semitism? 

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This really is quite simple, a truly independent investigation has found political interference from within the leaders office that influenced investigations into anti-semitism amongst other things. 
When asked to comment on the report rather than eat a little humble pie, accept the findings and move on Corbyn put a ‘But’ in there and went on an incoherent ramble.

The point he made about people thinking 30% of labour members were anti-semites wasn’t anything to do with the report so why say it to defend himself against the findings of the report?

 

It shows at best naivety, stupidity and a real lack of awareness of the impact and harm his words will cause. At worst a major character flaw from someone who cannot accept criticism in a mature way.

 

This is not about the PLP, it’s not about the Tories, it’s not about food banks, poverty, Islamaphobia  or anything else that’s been mentioned on this thread to try and blindly excuse his behaviour.

It’s about his own actions and importantly those of HIS office whilst leader and he has to take responsibility for that in a way that shows compassion for the victims of racism within his party. And on this he has failed and should rightly be expelled for any lesser punishment sends the message that anti-semitism is ok in the Labour Party.

 

I can only take the view from some of the shameful cult of Corbyn posts on here that they are no better than gun-toting Trump supporters, ideology means everything and values, decency and facts are conveniently laid aside when that suits them.

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8 minutes ago, Westie1889 said:

This really is quite simple, a truly independent investigation has found political interference from within the leaders office that influenced investigations into anti-semitism amongst other things. 
When asked to comment on the report rather than eat a little humble pie, accept the findings and move on Corbyn put a ‘But’ in there and went on an incoherent ramble.

The point he made about people thinking 30% of labour members were anti-semites wasn’t anything to do with the report so why say it to defend himself against the findings of the report?

 

It shows at best naivety, stupidity and a real lack of awareness of the impact and harm his words will cause. At worst a major character flaw from someone who cannot accept criticism in a mature way.

 

This is not about the PLP, it’s not about the Tories, it’s not about food banks, poverty, Islamaphobia  or anything else that’s been mentioned on this thread to try and blindly excuse his behaviour.

It’s about his own actions and importantly those of HIS office whilst leader and he has to take responsibility for that in a way that shows compassion for the victims of racism within his party. And on this he has failed and should rightly be expelled for any lesser punishment sends the message that anti-semitism is ok in the Labour Party.

 

I can only take the view from some of the shameful cult of Corbyn posts on here that they are no better than gun-toting Trump supporters, ideology means everything and values, decency and facts are conveniently laid aside when that suits them.

Good post. 

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6 hours ago, CaptainSwing said:

 

 

What do you think the two choices open to the left are?  Is one of them to try and undermine the current leadership, to ensure that Labour doesn't get elected next time around either?

That does appear to be their current tactic of choice.

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7 hours ago, Pettytom said:

I see that you dodged the rest of my post.

 

Corbyn was leader. It was his job to command the respect of the party. He failed . It also seems that he failed to control the anti-semites.

 

The left have two choices. I’m sure that I don’t have to spell them out. But I would just like to say “Change UK” is looking for a new direction.

Which anti semites did he fail to control ?

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10 hours ago, Jim117 said:

Good riddance, I’m blue collar through and through but if even I had to tactical vote to keep this clown and his delusional band of class war dinosaurs out of power then so be it. When even former miners won’t vote Labour then that’s all you need to know. Hoping for a credible opposition party ASAP.

We'll see how much of a credible opposition party Labour is when the pro Tory press start talking about Labour positively.

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13 hours ago, andyofborg said:

Anna and banjo will no doubt deny it but there are parts of the left, not all by any means, who are very much into anti-semitism. 

There probably are. Simply by the law of averages that is possible, but then that's also got to be true of the Tory party. 

And Corbyn did his best to root them out. He is no anti-semitic, far from it.

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52 minutes ago, Ridgewalk said:

Which anti semites did he fail to control ?

Mainly himself. The others just followed the Leader. 

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