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8 minutes ago, Westie1889 said:

This really is quite simple, a truly independent investigation has found political interference from within the leaders office that influenced investigations into anti-semitism amongst other things. 
When asked to comment on the report rather than eat a little humble pie, accept the findings and move on Corbyn put a ‘But’ in there and went on an incoherent ramble.

The point he made about people thinking 30% of labour members were anti-semites wasn’t anything to do with the report so why say it to defend himself against the findings of the report?

 

It shows at best naivety, stupidity and a real lack of awareness of the impact and harm his words will cause. At worst a major character flaw from someone who cannot accept criticism in a mature way.

 

This is not about the PLP, it’s not about the Tories, it’s not about food banks, poverty, Islamaphobia  or anything else that’s been mentioned on this thread to try and blindly excuse his behaviour.

It’s about his own actions and importantly those of HIS office whilst leader and he has to take responsibility for that in a way that shows compassion for the victims of racism within his party. And on this he has failed and should rightly be expelled for any lesser punishment sends the message that anti-semitism is ok in the Labour Party.

 

I can only take the view from some of the shameful cult of Corbyn posts on here that they are no better than gun-toting Trump supporters, ideology means everything and values, decency and facts are conveniently laid aside when that suits them.

Good post. 

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6 hours ago, CaptainSwing said:

 

 

What do you think the two choices open to the left are?  Is one of them to try and undermine the current leadership, to ensure that Labour doesn't get elected next time around either?

That does appear to be their current tactic of choice.

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7 hours ago, Pettytom said:

I see that you dodged the rest of my post.

 

Corbyn was leader. It was his job to command the respect of the party. He failed . It also seems that he failed to control the anti-semites.

 

The left have two choices. I’m sure that I don’t have to spell them out. But I would just like to say “Change UK” is looking for a new direction.

Which anti semites did he fail to control ?

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10 hours ago, Jim117 said:

Good riddance, I’m blue collar through and through but if even I had to tactical vote to keep this clown and his delusional band of class war dinosaurs out of power then so be it. When even former miners won’t vote Labour then that’s all you need to know. Hoping for a credible opposition party ASAP.

We'll see how much of a credible opposition party Labour is when the pro Tory press start talking about Labour positively.

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13 hours ago, andyofborg said:

Anna and banjo will no doubt deny it but there are parts of the left, not all by any means, who are very much into anti-semitism. 

There probably are. Simply by the law of averages that is possible, but then that's also got to be true of the Tory party. 

And Corbyn did his best to root them out. He is no anti-semitic, far from it.

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52 minutes ago, Ridgewalk said:

Which anti semites did he fail to control ?

Mainly himself. The others just followed the Leader. 

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The deflection is strong here isn't it.

 

Lots of 'but the Tories..` going on as if the publication of the report should be ignored because the Conservative party has it's own mess.

 

Plus arguing that a man in court who advocated rascist anti semite views and told people to support Corbyn or get out of the party may or not be a Corbyn supporter is frankly ridiculous, especially in the context of the report published yesterday.

 

'But Corbyn isn't an anti-semite..' - actions speak louder than words, and he was at the helm when all this went down. If you want to blame Boris Johnson for racism in the Conservative party, then accept that you have to blame Corbyn for anti semitism  in the Labour party else you are being a hypocrite.

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11 minutes ago, melthebell said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54742096

 

Lol, the party has been split years

Let’s face it. Wouldn’t really make a difference would it. They’ve lost every election since 79 if you believe the anti Blair brigade and JC managed to lose to both Theresa May AND Boris Johnson then they can’t really do much worse.

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1 hour ago, CaptainSwing said:

It was certainly the tactic of choice of the right wing of the party in the last two elections - and very successfully carried through too.

To be fair, Corbyn gave them a pretty big helping hand.

 

I dispute the idea that the right wing deliberately destabilised him anyway. There really was no need. 

2 hours ago, Ridgewalk said:

Which anti semites did he fail to control ?

You can read the report for details 

 

In the meantime, it’s still going on.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/len-mccluskey-antisemitism-peter-mandelson-gold-labour-b1176745.html%3famp

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The loss of Corbyn is the loss of any real opposition to the rampant Conservatism  /Neoliberalism we have seen growing over the last 40 years, and the loss of any real democracy. The closet Tories in the Labour party are now in charge, and Labour may well be allowed to win the next election just for appearances sake, but rampant Capitalism will continue apace because nobody is prepared to stop it, or even try.

Occupy tried (remember them) or at least they tried to draw attention to it, but their message was drowned out by the media. If you rememberanything about them at all, it will be the fact that they occupied the space outside the Cathedral, not why they were there because we never got round to discussing that did we? Sound familiar?  

Corbyn tried. He rose on the tide of this, as a democratic alternative, and look what happened to him.The Unions have tried, but they too have been diminished to the point of obscurity by draconian measures and the loss of civil liberties put in place by Thatcher. Individuals have tried to inform people but are dismissed as conspiracy theorists peddling 'fake news.'.....

 

So now they have succeeded in stacking the deck, and there is nothing will stop them. All the power is in their hands.That won't worry most people at the moment, because most won't even know what Neoliberalism is, or what I'm talking about. 

 

But they will.

 

When mass unemployment hits, when the NHS is privatised even further, then dismantled altogether. When more and more people are homeless and living  on the streets, when only foodbanks stand between families and hunger/starvation, when old and disabled are left to fend for themselves, when anxiety and worry leads to a mental health crisis and growing suicide rates......,   maybe then people will wish they'd listened and done something when they still could.

 

Most of you will think this is an exageration and could never happen to  you. Try doing some research. Everyone of those things is happening right now thanks to Neoliberalism, and is set to get a whole lot worse and encompass more and more of you. Remember Capitalism is a system that has winners and losers. Rampant Capitalism has very few winners, but an enormous number of losers, and those who think they are 'safe'  are going to get an almighty shock. 

 

Who is going to fight for you?

Edited by Anna B

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Great post Anna (as usual)

Fully agree with what you've posted.

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