The Labour Party - Part 2

[banjodeano 31]

8 hours ago, tinfoilhat said:

Bold bit - really??????

 

Some people might have done but, alot - actually, no - the vast majority of voters don't check on any policies!

there you go again, stopping a good rant in its tracks...

i hear people talking about how much they dislike Corbyn, and when asked about which policies they disliked, they cant even mention a single policy that they like or dislike

[El Cid 220]

23 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

there you go again, stopping a good rant in its tracks...

i hear people talking about how much they dislike Corbyn, and when asked about which policies they disliked, they cant even mention a single policy that they like or dislike

A leader must be popular, at least it helps.

[banjodeano 31]

3 minutes ago, El Cid said:

A leader must be popular, at least it helps.

the media decides who is popular

[El Cid 220]

1 hour ago, banjodeano said:

the media decides who is popular

I think the media like Andy Burnham, but if he actually became the Labour leader that could change.

[hackey lad 3,976]

Jack Straw coming out from under his stone says Afghanistan is Trumps fault . Tony Blair still under his stone . 

[altus 540]

57 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

Jack Straw coming out from under his stone says Afghanistan is Trumps fault . Tony Blair still under his stone . 

Did he really say the whole of the US involvement in Afghanistan was Trump's fault or just the leaving bit? You might want to check out the deal Trump negotiated with the Taliban which locked the US into leaving Afghanistan this year. Biden's handling of it may have made the end bit worse but the conditions around it (strengthening the Taliban's position by removing 8000+ US troups before the last US election, releasing 5000 Taliban fighters, etc.) were set by Trump in a way that Biden couldn't significantly change.

[tinfoilhat 11]

1 hour ago, hackey lad said:

Jack Straw coming out from under his stone says Afghanistan is Trumps fault . Tony Blair still under his stone . 

Yeah, trump is on record saying he wanted all US forces out by May 2021.

[sheffbag 229]

On 16/08/2021 at 09:20, Anna B said:

 

FFS Once and for all, Corbyn was not far left. 

Then what was he?

Left wing

Little bit left wing

Central

Right wing

Little bit right wing

Far Left (and i dont mean behind in the election results)

 

please dont trot out the "hes a socialist" or "hes for the many not the few" line. in the political spectrum of left to right which most people use to describe a politicians stance where would you place him?

 

And if he is not far left then who would you place as the more left beyond him. Im genuinely interested as to who you think was more left, right or whatever of JC so we have a comparative figure

[Mister M 1,625]

29 minutes ago, sheffbag said:

Then what was he?

Left wing

Little bit left wing

Central

Right wing

Little bit right wing

Far Left (and i dont mean behind in the election results)

 

please dont trot out the "hes a socialist" or "hes for the many not the few" line. in the political spectrum of left to right which most people use to describe a politicians stance where would you place him?

 

And if he is not far left then who would you place as the more left beyond him. Im genuinely interested as to who you think was more left, right or whatever of JC so we have a comparative figure

I would say politically Corbyn is broadly Social Democratic. 

[alchresearch 214]

He's happy to be part of this group.

 

Maybe its time Labour split.  The left side of the party are never going to be happy with Starmer & a "New Labour" approach, and vice versa.

[Flanker7 20]

Many people don't get beyond -

I don't like him from the way the media portray him or

I don't like the company he keeps.

 

It would help if political position could be guided by the individuals stance on a number of 'tell tale' policies eg.......

 

1. The NHS

2. State/Public Schools.

3. The Monarchy

4. The Unions

5. Income Tax

6. Capital punishment

7. Fox Hunting

8. The House of Lords

 

I realise any one of these does not give a fail safe guide to a persons Political orientation but taken as a whole you get a fairly accurate picture. Some are dead givaways but others are a reflection of core beliefs. For example if you know where someone stands on Fox Hunting you have a pretty good idea where they're coming from.

 

Or take one of these tests on behalf of someone you feel you know well. A dangerous undertaking but may give guidance.

https://10groups.github.io/

https://psycatgames.com/quiz/political-compass-quiz-what-s-my-political-ideology/

 

I would guess Corbyn is as soft as butter on 'The Law' which goes against many authoritanian far left regimes.

Edited August 17, 2021 by Flanker7
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[sheffbag 229]

1 hour ago, Mister M said:

I would say politically Corbyn is broadly Social Democratic. 

and that is left/right?