El Cid 193 #1465 Posted August 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, melthebell said: Divide and rule, we fight for the scraps that fall off the rich man's table. The rich certainly pay more tax than me, but its the majority that elect a Government to set the rules. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
melthebell 862 #1466 Posted August 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, El Cid said: The rich certainly pay more tax than me, but its the majority that elect a Government to set the rules. Whoever you vote for government wins Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Jeffrey Shaw 83 #1467 Posted August 15, 2021 Also remember Scotland. Arithmetically, the Labour Party cannot win a UK General Election unless it holds a large number of seats in Scottish constituencies. As that seems a remote possibility at present... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
andyofborg 11 #1468 Posted August 15, 2021 29 minutes ago, Jeffrey Shaw said: Also remember Scotland. Arithmetically, the Labour Party cannot win a UK General Election unless it holds a large number of seats in Scottish constituencies. As that seems a remote possibility at present... not necessarily, conservative support in the south is weakening, if the party can regain some of it's traditional seats then the majority could be there. the weakening of support for the major parties in their traditional areas may have all sorts of consequences. the end result of all this may be that parties like the nationalists hold the balance of power with all the consequences that entails. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Carbuncle 0 #1469 Posted August 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Jeffrey Shaw said: Arithmetically, the Labour Party cannot win a UK General Election unless it holds a large number of seats in Scottish constituencies. As that seems a remote possibility at present... Facts of this kind are frequently repeated but not true. Labour's election victories in 1945, 1997, 2001 would have yielded majorities even if by some stroke of providence all the Scottish MPs had switched to anti-Labour just after the election. Further, Labour's majorities from the elections of 1966 and (I think) 2005 would have survived Scotland leaving the union just after the election. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Anna B 1,364 #1470 Posted August 15, 2021 I saw on facebook that Ken Loach, film director, and high profile, lifelong supporter of the Labour party and Jeremy Corbyn, has been expelled from the Labour Party by Keir Starmer. Ken Loach was the man who made the brilliant film 'I Daniel Blake,' which won the palme d'Or at Cannes in 2016, and the 2017 BAFTA for best outstanding British Film. It did more to explain the plight of the unemployed in this country than any amount of political posturing and documentary broadcasts. Loach is also a man of high principles who turned down an OBE. Starmer is quite simply a disgrace. He is unfit to lead the party. He couldn't do a better job of alienating half the Labour voters if he tried. He is an absolute disaster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
El Cid 193 #1471 Posted August 15, 2021 22 minutes ago, Anna B said: I saw on facebook that Ken Loach, film director, and high profile, lifelong supporter of the Labour party and Jeremy Corbyn, has been expelled from the Labour Party by Keir Starmer. Why do people support celebrety, he is just one man! He is a multimillionaire, so perhaps he is powerfull? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
hackey lad 3,819 #1472 Posted August 15, 2021 28 minutes ago, Anna B said: I saw on facebook that Ken Loach, film director, and high profile, lifelong supporter of the Labour party and Jeremy Corbyn, has been expelled from the Labour Party by Keir Starmer. Ken Loach was the man who made the brilliant film 'I Daniel Blake,' which won the palme d'Or at Cannes in 2016, and the 2017 BAFTA for best outstanding British Film. It did more to explain the plight of the unemployed in this country than any amount of political posturing and documentary broadcasts. Loach is also a man of high principles who turned down an OBE. Starmer is quite simply a disgrace. He is unfit to lead the party. He couldn't do a better job of alienating half the Labour voters if he tried. He is an absolute disaster. Who would you pick to lead the labour party ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
El Cid 193 #1473 Posted August 15, 2021 41 minutes ago, Anna B said: I saw on facebook that Ken Loach, film director, and high profile, lifelong supporter of the Labour party and Jeremy Corbyn, has been expelled from the Labour Party by Keir Starmer. Loach hasn't been a life long Labour supporter, he was critical of Ed Milliband and all the leaders before him. He joined Labour when Corbyn was elected leader, but Loach himself is probably to the left of Corbyn. If that is posible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Anna B 1,364 #1474 Posted August 16, 2021 Fo 11 hours ago, El Cid said: Loach hasn't been a life long Labour supporter, he was critical of Ed Milliband and all the leaders before him. He joined Labour when Corbyn was elected leader, but Loach himself is probably to the left of Corbyn. If that is posible. FFS Once and for all, Corbyn was not far left. Left certainly compared to Starmer who is simply a Conservative in disguise, but if people took the trouble to find out about him and his policies (and not from the elite controlled, disgracefully biased media who did nothing but smear him,) they'd probably agree with them. In fact a lot of his ideas have been purloined by Boris de Pfeffel Johnson - the difference is Corbyn would have made them happen, whereas Boris simply talks the talk with no intention of carrying them out. Well, it keeps the plebs quiet.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ECCOnoob 981 #1475 Posted August 16, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Anna B said: Fo FFS Once and for all, Corbyn was not far left. Left certainly compared to Starmer who is simply a Conservative in disguise, but if people took the trouble to find out about him and his policies (and not from the elite controlled, disgracefully biased media who did nothing but smear him,) they'd probably agree with them. In fact a lot of his ideas have been purloined by Boris de Pfeffel Johnson - the difference is Corbyn would have made them happen, whereas Boris simply talks the talk with no intention of carrying them out. Well, it keeps the plebs quiet.... Yes he was. No starmer isn't. People did take the trouble to find out his polices and rejected them. The whole elite controlled Media bias argument has been done to death by losers who can't get over the fact that their chosen leader was a pathetic, incompetent, stubborn, professional protester who repeatedly failed to get their message across to the wider public and stuck to the comfort zone of their own deluded followers. You have absolutely no evidence that your beloved Corbyn would have got anything done. 30 years nothingness on the back benches, multiple fence sitting and catastrophic failure to even come close in an election proves that. Ask for people like Loach, good riddance. He can portray all he wants in the papers with the oh dear woe is me crap. But as others have said, he had no lifelong support to the party. He was quite happy to pick and choose when he was a member dependent on the leadership - well that works both ways - the party don't want his type being members and given whom he showed support to despite their expulsion, they are perfectly entitled to get rid of him. Edited August 16, 2021 by ECCOnoob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tinfoilhat 11 #1476 Posted August 16, 2021 1 hour ago, ECCOnoob said: Yes he was. No starmer isn't. People did take the trouble to find out his polices and rejected them. The whole elite controlled Media bias argument has been done to death by losers who can't get over the fact that their chosen leader was a pathetic, incompetent, stubborn, professional protester who repeatedly failed to get their message across to the wider public and stuck to the comfort zone of their own deluded followers. You have absolutely no evidence that your beloved Corbyn would have got anything done. 30 years nothingness on the back benches, multiple fence sitting and catastrophic failure to even come close in an election proves that. Ask for people like Loach, good riddance. He can portray all he wants in the papers with the oh dear woe is me crap. But as others have said, he had no lifelong support to the party. He was quite happy to pick and choose when he was a member dependent on the leadership - well that works both ways - the party don't want his type being members and given whom he showed support to despite their expulsion, they are perfectly entitled to get rid of him. Bold bit - really?????? Some people might have done but, alot - actually, no - the vast majority of voters don't check on any policies! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...