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The Labour Party - Part 2

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A key aide to Starmer warns of whats wrong and some ways to fix it?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/31/keir-starmers-aide-warns-labour-has-lost-touch-with-target-voters

 

According to one video ive seen today, apart from twitter and a very sparse youtube account they barely exist on social media to get their message out to the different  age ranges on the different platforms, which i said all along, the tories had a much better communications team and both got their message out and attacked labour at the same time on various platforms.

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9 hours ago, alchresearch said:

Labour still has a large number of Corbynistas, hell bent on bringing Starmer down, so he's having to fight three sides - the Tories, the Lib Dems and the old left of the party.

Really?

 

I'm a proud Corbynista, but I'd still rather have the ineffective Starmer as PM than suffer another 4 years of Shagger Boris' smirking Worzel Gummidge impressions.

 

Unfortunately, Starmer's too busy fighting the Labour left to make any progress against the Evil Tories.

 

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9 hours ago, The Joker said:

Really?

 

I'm a proud Corbynista, but I'd still rather have the ineffective Starmer as PM than suffer another 4 years of Shagger Boris' smirking Worzel Gummidge impressions.

 

Unfortunately, Starmer's too busy fighting the Labour left to make any progress against the Evil Tories.

 

My bold. 

 

Yes its brilliant isn't it?  The Tories don't even have to try.  

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On 04/08/2021 at 07:29, Baron99 said:

My bold. 

Yes its brilliant isn't it?  The Tories don't even have to try.  

Its at least 2 years away from a general election.

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On 03/08/2021 at 11:24, West 77 said:

Sir Keir Starmer was clearly the best candidate who entered the competition to replace Corbyn.

Even if so, being the best of a lot of poor candidates is scarcely the most persuasive selling point!

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On 05/08/2021 at 17:23, Jeffrey Shaw said:

Even if so, being the best of a lot of poor candidates is scarcely the most persuasive selling point!

True, but that is also true of the other parties as well. 

What has British politics come to?

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Blair won three elections for Labour by using Tory tactics, so much so that the Labour left coined the’Tory Blair’ name. You guys will never learn, so brace yourselves for many more years of Bojo.

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1 hour ago, crookesey said:

Blair won three elections for Labour by using Tory tactics, so much so that the Labour left coined the’Tory Blair’ name. You guys will never learn, so brace yourselves for many more years of Bojo.

Tory tactics, you mean winning tactics?

Labour needs to get back to education polices and policies that improve peoples lives.

 

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35 minutes ago, El Cid said:

Tory tactics, you mean winning tactics?

Labour needs to get back to education polices and policies that improve peoples lives.

 

Education, education, education helped to get Blair into power, university degrees replacing skills training, is that what you mean?

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On 03/08/2021 at 12:41, alchresearch said:

Labour still has a large number of Corbynistas, hell bent on bringing Starmer down, so he's having to fight three sides - the Tories, the Lib Dems and the old left of the party.

But Labour is supposed to be a socialist party, and Starmer is hell bent on eradicating its raison d'etra, at a time when it was never more needed.

 

Times have changed since Tony Blair's 'were all middle class now' days. We are now reaping the results of 40 years of Conservative policies (including Blair's) which has lead to an even greater North/ south, rich/poor divide, and massive privatisation of the utilities and things we hold most dear which puts many things beyond the pockets of many. And there's no excuse whatsoever for what's been done to the unfortunate people with disabilities. The working poor are going backwards into poverty and want. Out of touch Starmer is not going to do a thing about any of it.

 

If you want centre politics vote Lib Dem. If you want a more equal society we need a strong party that fights for it and fights for all. 'The many, not the few.'  

Edited by Anna B

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2 hours ago, Anna B said:

But Labour is supposed to be a socialist party, and Starmer is hell bent on eradicating its raison d'etra, at a time when it was never more needed.

 

Times have changed since Tony Blair's 'were all middle class now' days. We are now reaping the results of 40 years of Conservative policies (including Blair's) which has lead to an even greater North/ south, rich/poor divide, and massive privatisation of the utilities and things we hold most dear which puts many things beyond the pockets of many. And there's no excuse whatsoever for what's been done to the unfortunate people with disabilities. The working poor are going backwards into poverty and want. Out of touch Starmer is not going to do a thing about any of it.

 

If you want centre politics vote Lib Dem. If you want a more equal society we need a strong party that fights for it and fights for all. 'The many, not the few.'  

Anna, I can’t help but think that a Lib-Dem vote is a ‘can’t make your mind up’ vote. Sadly both Labour and Tory parties are lost in a dark room that neither can locate the door to step out into the light. Starmer appears to be a decent sort of guy, but then again so do a lot of folk who couldn’t run a political party. Rich boy Bojo, along with his public school mates is having a right laugh at the expense of Labour, and is likely to be laughing for many years to come.

 

My voting days are over, I’m certain that I’m in good company.

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5 hours ago, Anna B said:

But Labour is supposed to be a socialist party, and Starmer is hell bent on eradicating its raison d'etra, at a time when it was never more needed.

 

Times have changed since Tony Blair's 'were all middle class now' days. We are now reaping the results of 40 years of Conservative policies (including Blair's) which has lead to an even greater North/ south, rich/poor divide, and massive privatisation of the utilities and things we hold most dear which puts many things beyond the pockets of many. And there's no excuse whatsoever for what's been done to the unfortunate people with disabilities. The working poor are going backwards into poverty and want. Out of touch Starmer is not going to do a thing about any of it.

 

If you want centre politics vote Lib Dem. If you want a more equal society we need a strong party that fights for it and fights for all. 'The many, not the few.'  

No they haven't Anna. When will you people pull your head out the sand and wake up. How many more defeats do you need before the message will sink in.

 

The wider electorate scream that "middle-class" society more now than ever before.. They are aspirational.  They are ambitious. They are educated. They are globalised. They are just as greedy and self-centered as they ever were.

 

Yes they're may be small groups of dreaming, fantasising young left wing student types and the odd pocket of dinosaur ex mining community socialists who still treat trade unions are god, believe in some caring sharing society where all are equal and all should be evenly distributed... but for the majority they grow up, get into the world of work, get on the career ladder and their will changes.  Less caring about their fellow men with so called strong social consciousness and more crawling, backstabbing, selling out, looking after number one and making sure they damn well keep as much as possible of what they earn. 

 

It's Human Nature. How people like to portray themselves when asked in conversation or through some poll or how they like to think they are politically aligned compared to reality are very different things.  Parties and politicians have to adapt and evolve and change with the changing tide.

 

100 years of politics. The results are blindingly obvious. Why are some people so deluded they cannot see it. The people have spoken many times. They don't want it and that is why that faction of the party  continually fails with its failure supporters.

 

Personally, I wish they would do as you suggest. I wish they would go full-on socialist back to their roots alienating the majority of electorate, businesses, corporations and entrepreneurs. At least then they will soon disappear back into the bottom of the pile where they belong.

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