The Labour Party - Part 2

[hackey lad 3,963]

36 minutes ago, Anna B said:

And aren't we paying the price for it. Worst Conservative government in history, and the bar wasn't high...

Worst opposition in history ( even with Jeremy) is nothing to crow about 

[Guest sibon]

2 hours ago, ECCOnoob said:

Yet they still absolutely smashed their nearest rivals in the last election. What does that say about the Labour Party?

 

Blah blah largest membership numbers in europe...

 

...blah blah best party to represent the real ordinary man in the street, salt of the earth working folk blah blah...

 

Serial losers who clearly do not have anywhere near the electorate support they deludedly think they have.  Even changing the entire voting system wouldn't guarantee they will get into power.

 

Said before, and will say again, this country is far more conservative if not right-leaning than people would ever like to admit to. The results speak for themselves time and time again.

 

Left wingers lose.

Someone pick his toys up for him. 

[ECCOnoob 1,029]

25 minutes ago, sibon said:

Someone pick his toys up for him. 

After they finish helping you bury your head deep in the sand...

 

Dismiss my post as some generic rant all you want. But just look at at the facts. Look back at the past 100 years of politics and ask yourself who has had the dominant proportion. Ask yourself why certain newspapers and media sources are far bigger sellers than others. Take a look at what is happening around the world right now,  the swing towards a certain direction.

 

Not hard to see see if one is prepared to actually open their eyes and accept what is in front of them.

 

The rights and wrongs of that circumstance are of course up for an entirely separate debate - but one cannot be so blind and to pretend its not happening.  

 

11 years since labour were last in any position of power and even then it was dismissed and critiqued by the hardcore has been nothing more than "Tory light".    Just how long in the wilderness are they prepared to stay deludedly claiming that they know what the 'real people' want.  

 

If this was any private company that had judged their market so badly they would have been bankrupt by now.

Edited December 3, 2021 by ECCOnoob

[Anna B 1,410]

Re: Newspapers, the 'working class' newspapers have the biggest circulation because they are the  biggest demographic group.

Daily Mail has the biggest circulation (I believe) and the most strident views, usually expounding  all the values of a hierarchical society, monarchy, etc, while villifying the Unions, anyone who oposes the government, eg Julian Assange, legitimate protests, migrants, all unemployed are 'benefit scroungers' etc etc The brain washing can be quite subtle, using language rather than facts to sway opinion.

 

The people who read this (the biggest demographic) can't help being influenced by it. This  media is forming opinion rather than reporting it. 

Edited December 3, 2021 by Anna B

[melthebell 863]

Has anybody mentioned the Worthing by election? i saw the other one mentioned but not sure i saw this one mentioned. Just a slice of good news for Labour for a change, taking Marine (Worthing) off the Tories, first time in over 2 decades.

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/19760732.tories-lose-majority-worthing-labour-by-election-win/

[hackey lad 3,963]

Ellie Reeves Mp , sister of Rachael , says it’s a great result for Labour 😂

[hackey lad 3,963]

Angie says Labour have cancelled their Christmas party . I bet there are good few Labour members out there breathing a sigh of relief . Imagine little Johnny Ashworth crying cos he lost at pass the parcel, Emily Thornberry flashing her knickers cos shes had too many cooking sherries , Angie Rayner in a bow tie ,growling on the door , if you are not on the list you are not getting in , Diane Abbot calling the bingo and Jeremy turning up with his sprout puree sarnies for the buffet 

[melthebell 863]

37 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

Imagine little Johnny Ashworth crying cos he lost at pass the parcel, Emily Thornberry flashing her knickers cos shes had too many cooking sherries , Angie Rayner in a bow tie ,growling on the door , if you are not on the list you are not getting in , Diane Abbot calling the bingo and Jeremy turning up with his sprout puree sarnies for the buffet 

you sexually fantasising again?

[ECCOnoob 1,029]

2 hours ago, Anna B said:

Re: Newspapers, the 'working class' newspapers have the biggest circulation because they are the  biggest demographic group.

Daily Mail has the biggest circulation (I believe) and the most strident views, usually expounding  all the values of a hierarchical society, monarchy, etc, while villifying the Unions, anyone who oposes the government, eg Julian Assange, legitimate protests, migrants, all unemployed are 'benefit scroungers' etc etc The brain washing can be quite subtle, using language rather than facts to sway opinion.

 

The people who read this (the biggest demographic) can't help being influenced by it. This  media is forming opinion rather than reporting it. 

Why is the default position always that the media is somehow forcing the hand of the public who reads or otherwise consumes it.

 

A counter argument could just as easily be made that in fact the media is simply reflecting the  thoughts,  feelings, discussions already well established by that said widest demographic group.

 

I've never felt comfortable with this rather insulting position that somehow the wider populace are so idiotic that they are simply led by what the newspapers choose to report or have opinions parrotted from whatever the media tells them they should be thinking.  Even less so now we have a complete range of information available at the click of a button which we all carry around in our pockets everyday.

 

For at least the past 25 years since the mass dawn of the internet people have had multiple freedom of choice as to where and what information they consume.  Despite that, why is it that publications from such as The Mirror, and The Guardian remain on their back sides and yet the so-called "right wing"  "fake news" "disgusting" Daily Mail is still one of the biggest and most visited news website not just nationally but globally.

 

Despite all the trauma,  protesting and disruption that came with 2021, we still have two different television 'news' channels with  blatantly obvious right-leaning views but are so commercially viable, they are feasibly  setup,  given broadcast licences and so far are managing to maintain investment and keep surviving in the vastly expensive world of Broadcasting.   If the alternative side was as popular as certain political parties deludedly  claim they are, why are we not seeing the great successes of let's say Socialist Worker TV or Mirror News...

 

Can that really be tossed aside as just Media manipulation directing what the public should feel and should think.  Or, in reality is it simply providing a service which we all want and desire to reflect our OWN thoughts and feelings.

 

Edited December 3, 2021 by ECCOnoob

[hackey lad 3,963]

14 minutes ago, melthebell said:

you sexually fantasising again?

What , about Diane Abbott calling the bingo ?

[melthebell 863]

Just now, hackey lad said:

What , about Diane Abbott calling the bingo ?

maybe, ya kinky sod

[RollingJ 2,017]

And, why is the circulation of the 'Morning Star' s horribly dismal - yes I know it's not worth the price, but I remember many years ago now, when newspapers still sold a LOT of printed copies, and I did two morning paper rounds, I delivered that paper to just one house.

 

Does the 'Socialist Worker' still exist - I never delivered one of those?