The Labour Party - Part 2

[melthebell 863]

12 minutes ago, Tony said:

 

 

Yea, it's antisemitism. Here's why.

 

 

 

heres why what? tbh i didnt know the phrase, im not up on the "struggle" so to speak, so a quick google and found this

 

https://forward.com/opinion/415250/from-the-river-to-the-sea-doesnt-mean-what-you-think-it-means/

 

obviously you will come back with more ******** about it, but it seems pretty straightforward to me, its not what people make out it is?

It also seems to be posted in a long standing american jewish publication

Edited November 11, 2021 by melthebell

[Tony 10]

Mel, I'm not even going to read your link. The bottom line is that the "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free" is an anti-Semitic chant that quite simply calls for the total annihilation of the world's only Jewish state, re-established to provide safety from the annihilation of Jews from the planet. 

 

Mull that over please.

 

You may or may not accept it, but that is the fact of the matter. You yourself are on the cusp of committing the same sin as the anti-Semites doing the chanting and their cheerleaders in the alternative communist press. You're a good bloke so rather than us falling out perhaps you could do me the favour of taking a few days to have a good think about it before leaping in now to try to prove me wrong. 

[sheffbag 227]

14 hours ago, Anna B said:

She's doing her job.

 

And as Starmer continues to purge the Labour party of Socialists, she is one of the few remaining in what is supposed to be a Socialist party to stand up for socialist causes. That's what I mean by balance. Fortunately Starmer doesn't have the power to get rid of the deputy leader or I'm sure he would. 

The opposition party is supposed to oppose the government and has the power to vote against government plans if they disagree with them. If enough vote thus, they may be able to prevent a bill going through. So they do have some power.  

 

PS. Tony, I don't know how anyone who supports Bumbling Boris has the cheek to refer to 'Corbyn's Clown Show.' I suggest you sort out your own leadership problems before you criticise others....

Labour at present have as much power as the Lib Dem or the monster raving loony party. 

[alchresearch 214]

17 hours ago, Anna B said:

And as Starmer continues to purge the Labour party of Socialists

Socialists or troublemakers?

 

Just like Corbyn and his followers tried to purge the party of Blairites?

 

 

[banjodeano 31]

4 minutes ago, alchresearch said:

Socialists or troublemakers?

 

Just like Corbyn and his followers tried to purge the party of Blairites?

 

 

what utter tosh, Corbyn gave the people who stabbed him in the back positions in the cabinet....where is your evidence to back up that absurd claim?

[melthebell 863]

3 hours ago, Tony said:

Mel, I'm not even going to read your link. The bottom line is that the "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free" is an anti-Semitic chant that quite simply calls for the total annihilation of the world's only Jewish state, re-established to provide safety from the annihilation of Jews from the planet. 

 

Mull that over please.

 

You may or may not accept it, but that is the fact of the matter. You yourself are on the cusp of committing the same sin as the anti-Semites doing the chanting and their cheerleaders in the alternative communist press. You're a good bloke so rather than us falling out perhaps you could do me the favour of taking a few days to have a good think about it before leaping in now to try to prove me wrong. 

No it doesn't, if you read the link, which is a few years old

[Mister M 1,625]

Labour Mps Geraint Davies, Clive Betts claim rent from taxpayer while letting out their own homes

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mps-rent-expenses-geoffrey-cox-b1956146.html

Rancid and sleazy

I've also added the names of Tory Ministers, ex Ministers, and MPs on the Conservative Party thread

Edited November 12, 2021 by Mister M

[the_bloke 17]

Clive Betts? What a surprise.

 

IMO that anyone breaking the rules should face the consequence, regardless of party.

 

This includes facing questions about second incomes; anyone earning money outside of being an MP should be open and transparent about where the money came from and why.

 

For example, who is Kier Starmer giving legal advice to for 70 hours earlier this year at £251 ph?

[Anna B 1,414]

20 hours ago, the_bloke said:

Clive Betts? What a surprise.

 

IMO that anyone breaking the rules should face the consequence, regardless of party.

 

This includes facing questions about second incomes; anyone earning money outside of being an MP should be open and transparent about where the money came from and why.

 

For example, who is Kier Starmer giving legal advice to for 70 hours earlier this year at £251 ph?

The rules are already there and in place. They are just routinely exploited or ignored and nothing is done about it, except for the odd one held up as the 'exception.' 

Just another example of the corruption and sleaze that seems to follow this government around.

[Mister M 1,625]

5 minutes ago, Anna B said:

The rules are already there and in place. They are just routinely exploited or ignored and nothing is done about it, except for the odd one held up as the 'exception.' 

Just another example of the corruption and sleaze that seems to follow this government around.

The rules allow MPs to put their housing costs on expenses while renting out their homes, however it's completely wrong. I suspect that MPs who do this know that it's wrong, but still do it anyway. 

That's the kind of cynicism that needs clamping down on. Some rules changed after the expenses scandal, but other loopholes still exist. 

I think IPSA need to be much tougher. I also think that no party can claim moral authority on this issue. In the dying days of the last Labour government there were ex Ministers like Steve Byers, Geoff Hoon, and Patricia Hewitt whose behaviour caused them to be suspended from the Labour Party. 

Some MPs behave within the spirit of the rules, others don't. Relying on the goodwill or sense of MPs to be more observant of moral principles than the general public just won't cut it anymore. 

There needs to be a complete overhaul of the rules governing what MPs and ministers can and cannot do.

[banjodeano 31]

Oh my Lord ....Starmer is a total embarrassment, hes squirming as he is confronted about a  second job.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1518590/Keir-Starmer-squirming-confrontation-second-job-sleaze-row-Labour-party-Tory-Sky-news-vn

 

Jeremy Corbyn advised Sir Keir Starmer not to take a lucrative second job while he was Brexit Secretary in Mr Corbyn's shadow cabinet. Claims that the current Labour leader has denied. someone is lying and my money would be on Starmer...

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/matt-frei/jeremy-corbyn-second-job-ban-made-clear-to-keir-starmer/?fbclid=IwAR38HCMX98-yGaBmsFgHUizGXYBhRb6mwZAU7in5ZkRL8338AzsuNrJzY2w

Edited November 13, 2021 by banjodeano

[alchresearch 214]

One of the biggest shouters about second jobs was Angela Rayner.  I wonder if it was to get Starmer's second job on the radar and undermine him?

 

Of course, some people don't need second jobs when the donations flow in like this!