Mister Gee   797 #1633 Posted September 30, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tony said: Inflation is how governments get rid of their debt. Covid could be a trillion quid.  Just saying. Interesting going on what you’ve previously said about inflation.  https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/search/?&q=Inflation&page=1&author=Tony&search_and_or=or  This is my favorite. https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/topic/227085-2010-general-election-megathread/page/81/?tab=comments#comment-4173808  Edited September 30, 2021 by Mister Gee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Guest sibon   #1634 Posted September 30, 2021 54 minutes ago, CaptainSwing said: The Guardian describes itself as 'liberal', which can cover a multitude of sins. From your perspective it might look like it's centre-left, but your perspective has been coloured by the post-Thatcherite Newspeak, in which 'centre-left' means centre-right.  One columnist who could plausibly be described as centre-left is Will Hutton, who I often agree with. Chakrabortty too probably. But the vast majority of Guardian columnists are definitely right of centre - Freedland, Behr, Katy Balls, Rawnsley, Jenkins, d'Ancona (formerly), Cohen (at least some of the time) etc. etc. The trouble with defining things on an arbitrary scale is that it all depends upon the individual’s starting point.  For most of the U.K. electorate, The Guardian is a left wing paper and the Sun is a right wing one. It doesn’t matter a jot what Momentum think, as they aren’t going to affect the outcome of the next election. That’s just simple arithmetic.  Maybe, the message for Labour is that they need to realise that and set course accordingly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Guest makapaka   #1635 Posted September 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, sibon said: The trouble with defining things on an arbitrary scale is that it all depends upon the individual’s starting point.  For most of the U.K. electorate, The Guardian is a left wing paper and the Sun is a right wing one. It doesn’t matter a jot what Momentum think, as they aren’t going to affect the outcome of the next election. That’s just simple arithmetic.  Maybe, the message for Labour is that they need to realise that and set course accordingly All about the playing field. Dan hodges has it right.  the tories can now play both halves.  Labour can only play one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Guest sibon   #1636 Posted September 30, 2021 10 minutes ago, makapaka said: All about the playing field. Dan hodges has it right.  the tories can now play both halves.  Labour can only play one. I’m not certain that you are right.  The Tories are about to enter a different phase of government. Not necessarily one that will reflect well on them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Guest makapaka   #1637 Posted September 30, 2021 27 minutes ago, sibon said: I’m not certain that you are right.  The Tories are about to enter a different phase of government. Not necessarily one that will reflect well on them. i wish - but they’ve sewn it up - very clever by the tories Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Tony   10 #1638 Posted October 1, 2021 13 hours ago, Mister Gee said: Interesting going on what you’ve previously said about inflation.  https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/search/?&q=Inflation&page=1&author=Tony&search_and_or=or  This is my favorite. https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/topic/227085-2010-general-election-megathread/page/81/?tab=comments#comment-4173808  Why is it your favourite @Mister Gee? It seems like a perfectly on-point comment in May 2010. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
El Cid   193 #1639 Posted October 1, 2021 49 minutes ago, CaptainSwing said: Yes, agreed. "Starmer rules out nationalisations; the Tory government takes over yet another rail firm." But a not for profit independent company is not nationalisation. When a company is nationalised its taken into Government control. Network Rail manages the national rail infrastructure. It will manage all other aspects of train travel too – from ticketing to timetabling. The government insists this is not re-nationalisation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Anna B   1,364 #1640 Posted October 1, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, sibon said: The trouble with defining things on an arbitrary scale is that it all depends upon the individual’s starting point.  For most of the U.K. electorate, The Guardian is a left wing paper and the Sun is a right wing one. It doesn’t matter a jot what Momentum think, as they aren’t going to affect the outcome of the next election. That’s just simple arithmetic.  Maybe, the message for Labour is that they need to realise that and set course accordingly With regards to newspapers it's not a level playing field, it's about circulation, readership and demographics. The readership of the Guardian for example is much smaller than the Sun, and the Sun is arguably read by more 'working class' people who might have traditionally voted Labour, but are affected by the right wing influences in the paper to change their vote.  Most of the Red Top newspapers are similarly placed. In effect, our governments are chosen by Rupert Murdoch and his ilk.  Edited October 1, 2021 by Anna B Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
El Cid   193 #1641 Posted October 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Anna B said: With regards to newspapers it's not a level playing field, it's about circulation, readership and demographics. The readership of the Guardian for example is much smaller than the Sun, and the Sun is arguably read by more 'working class' people who might have traditionally voted Labour, but are affected by the right wing influences in the paper to change their vote Most of the Red Top newspapers are similarly placed. Basically our governments are chosen by Rupert Murdoch and his ilk. The Sun is very right wing. I personally think the term working class should no longer be used, perhaps in the day it was read by the manufacturing sector, but that has declined. When we discuss class, we should now speak about whether someone is left/right wing economically and right/left wing socially. I am right/center wing economically, but left wing socially. People are now wealthier than back in the day when people bought a daily newspaper, thanks to the minimum wage and tax credits, both Labour policies.  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Tony   10 #1642 Posted October 1, 2021 10 minutes ago, Anna B said: With regards to newspapers it's not a level playing field, it's about circulation, readership and demographics. The readership of the Guardian for example is much smaller than the Sun, and the Sun is arguably read by more 'working class' people who might have traditionally voted Labour, but are affected by the right wing influences in the paper to change their vote.  Most of the Red Top newspapers are similarly placed. In effect, our governments are chosen by Rupert Murdoch and his ilk.  At some point the penny might drop and you'll realise that it's not a "right wing conspiracy". You're just part of a teeny tiny minority of Fellow Travellers with bad ideas that most people see through. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
the_bloke   17 #1643 Posted October 1, 2021 25 minutes ago, Anna B said: With regards to newspapers it's not a level playing field, it's about circulation, readership and demographics. The readership of the Guardian for example is much smaller than the Sun  The online version of the Guardian is usually the top or second place most visited newspaper website in the UK, swapping places at the top with the Mail. The Sun online is a long way down the list. More people read the Guardian than the Sun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Guest sibon   #1644 Posted October 1, 2021 24 minutes ago, Anna B said: With regards to newspapers it's not a level playing field, it's about circulation, readership and demographics. The readership of the Guardian for example is much smaller than the Sun, and the Sun is arguably read by more 'working class' people who might have traditionally voted Labour, but are affected by the right wing influences in the paper to change their vote.  Most of the Red Top newspapers are similarly placed. In effect, our governments are chosen by Rupert Murdoch and his ilk.  I agree about the general bias of the printed media, but I don’t agree that Murdoch will choose the next PM. In general, I think that Newspapers follow public opinion, rather than lead it. Their priority is to sell papers, you don’t do that if your customers don’t agree with you.  It isn’t good enough for Labour to blame the messenger. They need to get the message right.  That’s where Corbyn failed. His message was wrong. The messengers merely amplified his many shortcomings.  So far, Starmer appears to be devoid of a message. Let’s hope that changes quickly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...