Delbow   699 #517 Posted December 19, 2020 1 hour ago, andyofborg said: it's very hard to turn round a loss of the scale of last year in one election, it's not impossible but requires the government to fail and fail badly. i doubt even johnson can fail that badly and i'm fairly sure if he looks like doing that the conservative party will replace him.  But Johnson is already failing really badly, I'm not sure how much more you expect he can fail. He's being dictated to by a footballer on food policy, he's been forced to U-turn on loads of policies already, he gave us the A-level fiasco, they built the Nightingale hospital and couldn't staff it, and now he's about to change policy to allow tens of thousands more EU workers to come to the UK to pick fruit and veg, which blows a huge hole in the reason why so many people voted for Brexit. He's a permafailure and I think it's embarrassing that Labour are failing to capitalise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
banjodeano   31 #518 Posted December 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, Delbow said: But Johnson is already failing really badly, I'm not sure how much more you expect he can fail. He's being dictated to by a footballer on food policy, he's been forced to U-turn on loads of policies already, he gave us the A-level fiasco, they built the Nightingale hospital and couldn't staff it, and now he's about to change policy to allow tens of thousands more EU workers to come to the UK to pick fruit and veg, which blows a huge hole in the reason why so many people voted for Brexit. He's a permafailure and I think it's embarrassing that Labour are failing to capitalise. Capitalise? Starmer seems to back him up on everything, ok he whines every now and then, but doesnt seem to do a deal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Pettytom   1 #519 Posted December 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, banjodeano said: Capitalise? Starmer seems to back him up on everything, ok he whines every now and then, but doesnt seem to do a deal What would you like him to do?  Should he oppose lockdown, masks, social distancing and all the other things being done to conquer the virus?  These are unusual times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
banjodeano   31 #520 Posted December 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Pettytom said: What would you like him to do?  Should he oppose lockdown, masks, social distancing and all the other things being done to conquer the virus?  These are unusual times. Firstly i would like him to unite the party, you remember that was one of his pledges?? thats what got him elected, by promising to unite the party?? He turned out to be a liar....but hey, he wears a smart suit and it fools most people Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Pettytom   1 #521 Posted December 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, banjodeano said: Firstly i would like him to unite the party, you remember that was one of his pledges?? thats what got him elected, by promising to unite the party?? He turned out to be a liar....but hey, he wears a smart suit and it fools most people Why don’t you answer my question instead of deflecting? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
banjodeano   31 #522 Posted December 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Pettytom said: Why don’t you answer my question instead of deflecting? you asked what i would like him to do, i told you... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Pettytom   1 #523 Posted December 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, banjodeano said: you asked what i would like him to do, i told you... I think I’ll leave it there. If that’s the limit of your reasoning and debating skills, I can see no point in wasting any more time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
melthebell   863 #524 Posted December 19, 2020 23 minutes ago, banjodeano said: Firstly i would like him to unite the party, you remember that was one of his pledges?? thats what got him elected, by promising to unite the party?? He turned out to be a liar....but hey, he wears a smart suit and it fools most people Theres a little thing called a pandemic happening at the moment, i dont think pandering to little factions in the party is and should be at the top of the list of things to do at the moment. Funny thing is, Starmer said the Christmas plans should have more restrictions and Boris slagged him off for wanting to cancel Christmas, a few days later Boris all but cancels Christmas. who was in the right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Longcol   600 #525 Posted December 19, 2020 1 hour ago, banjodeano said: Firstly i would like him to unite the party, you remember that was one of his pledges?? thats what got him elected, by promising to unite the party?? He turned out to be a liar....but hey, he wears a smart suit and it fools most people A few people are still clinging to the cult of the Patron Saint of the Islington Allotment Society Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Anna B   1,414 #526 Posted December 19, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, andyofborg said: the labour party isn't and never has been a socialist party. first past the post requires parties which have a broad appeal across the wider political spectrum. trying to turn it into a socialist party will drive the majority of voters away. you might feel intellectually satisifed with that but how will you change the world when the party only gets 2000 votes in an election?  Of course it was a Socialist party; put together specifically with the intention of supporting the working man, who. up until that point, had no representation. This to the ire of the ruling class, who massively resented having their dominance threatened. Socialism was indeed rising all over Europe and beyond, deposing several Royal houses. However Britain, unlike some other countries, has always espoused 'responsible Capitalism,' which generally benefitted all, through a 'trickle down' effect.  Unfortunately people don't seem to realise that the Tory party is now moving inexorably towards the far right. We no longer have responsible Capitalism which benefits all, but neo-liberalism which mainly benefits only the top 1% which is why we see an ever widening gap between rich and poor, with multi-millionaires on the one hand, and a growing need for food banks etc at the other. The people have also failed to notice that much that they have cherished, (to the point of taking it for granted,) like the NHS, free education, regular well paid employment and home ownership are being systematically dismantled and disappearing fast.  These rights were hard won by the Labour party over many years, but we are being conned with meally mouthed words and bare faced lies into supporting the very people who are hell bent on getting rid of them. Namely the Tories. Sadly, the people are slow to grasp the bigger picture and won't realise what's happening and what they have lost until it's too late. That is why we need a proper Socialist Labour party, working on behalf of the people, not another branch of the Conservartives, in everything but name.   Edited December 19, 2020 by Anna B Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
banjodeano   31 #527 Posted December 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Longcol said: A few people are still clinging to the cult of the Patron Saint of the Islington Allotment Society i am still clinging to a better a fairer society for everyone, not just the 1%, call me old fashioned if you like.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Pettytom   1 #528 Posted December 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, banjodeano said: i am still clinging to a better a fairer society for everyone, not just the 1%, call me old fashioned if you like.... https://keirstarmer.com/plans/10-pledges/  You’ve got a friend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
