andyofborg   11 #61 Posted October 16, 2020 5 hours ago, Baron99 said: Divisions opening up for Starmer as a large number of Labour's MP's defy him & the Party Whip to abstain in vote on the Covert Human Intelligence Sources (CHIS) Bill.  https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1348291/keir-starmer-news-latest-labour-party-resign-frontbenchers-quit-MPs-vote-against  The issue of the additional resignations don't look good for him. Same old Labour problems.  Really though, Asking your MP's to abstain indicates a very wishy-washy, sitting on the fence approach to politics & weakness. Not really, there has always been a block of Labour MPs who vote in a way the leadership doesn't like, regardless of the leadership and their outlook, It's one of the joys of being leader.  I imagine during his time as DPP and in the outside legal profession, he will have come across situations the Bill seeks to address and is one of the few people who has direct experience of the consequences both good and bad of it's implememtation.  Abstention can be a profound statement regarding a proposition. This might be no so profound, but it's a valid and worthwhile position.     Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
alchresearch   206 #62 Posted October 20, 2020  Good old Diane, never fails!  Quote She told BBC Newsnight: "You've got to remember that Keir had a project of his own to become the leader of the Labour Party. I blame his mother for calling him Keir.  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Anna B   1,364 #63 Posted October 20, 2020 Anybody else think Andy Burnham is shuttling for position in the next  Labour leadership battle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
altus   514 #64 Posted October 20, 2020 On 16/10/2020 at 16:02, Ridgewalk said: One problem with PR it gives parties with miniscule number  of votes disproportionate power, which often means extremists calling the shots eg. Israel, hence undemocratic Israel isn't a representative example as it's going to have problems regardless of the electoral system - problems come from trying to combine a largely secular outlook with a lot of people with extreme religious views. Add in their issues with their borders with their neighbours, etc. and it's always going to be 'complicated'.  PR works well in Germany and NZ for example. 14 minutes ago, Anna B said: Anybody else think Andy Burnham is shuttling for position in the next  Labour leadership battle. I thought everyone assumed that when he took the Manchester Mayor post. Step back from the Corbynista/Blairite squabbles and return as the unity candidate at some point in the future when it's all blown over. It doesn't look like he'll be trying to return any time soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tinfoilhat   11 #65 Posted October 20, 2020 3 hours ago, Anna B said: Anybody else think Andy Burnham is shuttling for position in the next  Labour leadership battle. No, he's doing his job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
andyofborg   11 #66 Posted October 20, 2020 3 hours ago, Anna B said: Anybody else think Andy Burnham is shuttling for position in the next  Labour leadership battle. no Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Pettytom   1 #67 Posted October 20, 2020 7 hours ago, Anna B said: Anybody else think Andy Burnham is shuttling for position in the next  Labour leadership battle. He should have won in 2016.  Then we’d all be in a better place Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
alchresearch   206 #68 Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, Anna B said: Anybody else think Andy Burnham is shuttling for position in the next  Labour leadership battle. A case of unfinished business because he lost the leadership contest and now flexing what little power he has against the Tories. He really isn't that great, he loves a bandwagon. Edited October 21, 2020 by alchresearch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
L00b   441 #69 Posted October 21, 2020 19 hours ago, alchresearch said:  Good old Diane, never fails! Neither does ex-Labour MP & arch-Lexiter Kate Hoey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Pettytom   1 #70 Posted October 21, 2020 3 hours ago, L00b said: Neither does ex-Labour MP & arch-Lexiter Kate Hoey. As if things weren’t bad enough, you come along and remind me that Kate Hoey exists. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Anna B   1,364 #71 Posted October 21, 2020 7 hours ago, alchresearch said: A case of unfinished business because he lost the leadership contest and now flexing what little power he has against the Tories. He really isn't that great, he loves a bandwagon. I agree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Baron99   771 #72 Posted October 21, 2020 Labour deputy leader reprimanded by deputy HoC Speaker for calling Conservative MP 'Scum' during debate.  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-54638267#aoh=16033168203148&referrer=https://www.google.com  Blimey. You can take the woman out of Stockport but....? What a showing up when the deputy Speaker singled her out & rebuked her. Looked like a frightened 5 yr old. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...