Box11   28 #1 Posted July 23, 2020 Is now the time to stop ex criminals working with young people and calling them role models just because they have given up on a life of crime......  It's clear to see that it's not working,knife and gun crime is getting worse not better and hardened criminals are getting younger.....  I don't think it works having ex MURDERERS/DRUG DEALERS etc etc mentoring young impressionable minds.....   Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Halibut   12 #2 Posted July 23, 2020 No, I don't think it's time to stop ex criminals from working with young people. I think you've just plucked a vaguely controversial idea out of thin air with no facts or theory to back it up. Rather than inventing spurious reasons, you might like to do some research around the fact that youth services have seen cuts averaging around 70% over the last decade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Pettytom   1 #3 Posted July 23, 2020 5 hours ago, Box11 said: Is now the time to stop ex criminals working with young people and calling them role models just because they have given up on a life of crime......  It's clear to see that it's not working,knife and gun crime is getting worse not better and hardened criminals are getting younger.....  I don't think it works having ex MURDERERS/DRUG DEALERS etc etc mentoring young impressionable minds.....   Why is it clear to you that it isn’t working?  Do you have access to research that assessed the impact of such schemes? Or are you just grumbling?  What would you replace them with, given that prison patently isn’t working? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Guest   #4 Posted July 23, 2020 Box11 I presume you didn't watch the Panorama documentary the other week on Scotland's Violence Reduction Unit - here is the link to watch on iPlayer if you are interested  https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000gxgv#:~:text=Kate%20Silverton%20films%20with%20Police,in%20the%20past%2015%20years.&text=They%20call%20it%20a%20public,treats%20crime%20as%20a%20disease. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Tomm06   12 #5 Posted July 23, 2020 It's certainly fine to let ex criminals work with the young but they need to ensure that they're teaching them that the criminal path they chose was the wrong one.  A lot of younger people idolise men and women that come from criminal backgrounds, they have a good platform to teach kids how to do it the right way instead of the illegal way - Kevin Hart does a lot of this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Jeffrey Shaw   90 #6 Posted July 23, 2020 If you want a role model, find someone whose virtues you wish to emulate. So: not a criminal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Pettytom   1 #7 Posted July 23, 2020 23 minutes ago, Jeffrey Shaw said: If you want a role model, find someone whose virtues you wish to emulate. So: not a criminal. Unless the criminal is reformed and is working with child criminals. Then that would be exactly the virtues that you’d want them to emulate.  No harm in reformed criminals trying to help youngsters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Halibut   12 #8 Posted July 23, 2020 39 minutes ago, Jeffrey Shaw said: If you want a role model, find someone whose virtues you wish to emulate. So: not a criminal. Young people already involved in crime are far more likely to listen to and emulate people they respect and look up to, those who understand what it's like to be in their shoes. Who better than ex-cons? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
El Cid   220 #9 Posted July 23, 2020 MPs are the people that are 'at the top of the tree' socially, they should be good role models. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Tomm06   12 #10 Posted July 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Jeffrey Shaw said: If you want a role model, find someone whose virtues you wish to emulate. So: not a criminal. The reality of it is that in all fairness, we all know the type of people that children should idolise and use as role models but the bottom line is - they just aren't popular or cool.  More often than not children will idolise celebrities etc purely because they're rich and spend all day posting about their amazing lifestyle. Some of those include people who either broke the law once or were all out criminals till they either got caught or got a lucky break. The idea there (if we're going to talk about idolising these people) is to admire their work ethic and their character now as opposed to then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Isaac55 Â Â 0 #11 Posted July 24, 2020 What is a role model ?! After their crimes, they will not become full-fledged people of society. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Halibut   12 #12 Posted July 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Isaac55 said: What is a role model ?! After their crimes, they will not become full-fledged people of society. Who won't? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...