Mister Gee Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Arnold_Lane said: I was going to reply, “Eh?” I wonder if he’s referring to the Rivers of Blood speech....which was 1968. That’s what I was thinking as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold_Lane Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Just now, Mister Gee said: That’s what I was thinking as well. He doesn’t seem great with dates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pettytom Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Arnold_Lane said: He doesn’t seem great with dates. Foreign, aren’t they. Dates, I mean. Better off with a Cox’s Orange Pippin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, Arnold_Lane said: I was going to reply, “Eh?” I wonder if he’s referring to the Rivers of Blood speech....which was 1968. If he was, and thinks old Enoch was right, I stand by my initial statement, which doesn't appear to false or insulting, merely an accurate description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold_Lane Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said: If he was, and thinks old Enoch was right, I stand by my initial statement, which doesn't appear to false or insulting, merely an accurate description. An odd proclamation for him to make but fair play for owning it. There is far too much shilly-shallying “I’m not racist but I just can’t stand it when they get all uppity” on this forum Edited July 16, 2020 by Arnold_Lane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 36 minutes ago, casualbystander said: YES i think someone had that spot on in the late 50s!!! So you think that black people should have fewer rights than white people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Luthor Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 9 hours ago, sheffbag said: The statue is called A Surge Of Power. Jen Reid said herself that she was making the Black Power salute when she was originally on the plinth. Not a raised fist as a symbol of "solidarity and activism". She then went and was photographed over 200 times making the black power salute in order for the statue to be created. You might not see it as an advocate of black power, but considering the title and the self confessed reasoning behind the positioning of the subject then to me it is. I didn't know that, sheffbag, thank you. I still like it though and think that it's a very appropriate replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Luthor Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 8 hours ago, casualbystander said: really??stone statues leering over black people????? my goodness that must be a sight to see😲 Tell me, if your ancestors had been rounded up, beaten, treated worse than animals, shipped off thousands of miles away from their homes and families and in to a life of slavery, how do you think you'd feel having to see a statue of a person every day, glorifying that? 8 hours ago, casualbystander said: e😲 he also did a lot of good for the poor in Bristol and i am guessing that included the blacks when slavery ended?? Yes, and Jimmy Savile raised millions for Stoke Mandeville but I don't want a statue glorifying him either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_bloke Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 8 hours ago, Lex Luthor said: Tell me, if your ancestors had been rounded up, beaten, treated worse than animals, shipped off thousands of miles away from their homes and families and in to a life of slavery, how do you think you'd feel having to see a statue of a person every day, glorifying that? Should all statues of individuals involved with slavery be removed, or just ones of white English people that were in the slave trade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
despritdan Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 47 minutes ago, the_bloke said: Should all statues of individuals involved with slavery be removed, or just ones of white English people that were in the slave trade? You've touched on an uncomfortable truth there which is that it was the Portuguese in the 16th century who were the first to engage in the Atlantic slave trade, buying the slaves from African leaders, so they were the ones who were rounding up their fellow Africans. Britain's role was mainly transporting the slaves to various colonies around the world. The Spanish, French, Dutch and Danish were also slave traders so it wasn't just the British. Something else that gets conveniently ignored is the activities of the Barbary Pirates who were based in North Africa and raided European coastal towns as far north as Iceland from the 16th century. It's been whitewashed from history because it was black people enslaving white people and doesn't fit the narrative of white people always being the oppressors and black people always being the victims. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_pirates#:~:text=The Barbary pirates%2C sometimes called Barbary corsairs or,derived from the name of its Berber inhabitants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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