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12 hours ago, West 77 said:

Sunak has released  the text messages he replied to from Cameron.  No wrong doing and every thing transparent by Sunak. 

Indeed. 
 

The depths of cronyism and corruption that this lot have plumbed renders this indiscretion as fairly minor.

 

After all, what is wrong with using the old boys network to carve up public money?

 

11 hours ago, enntee said:

Let's get it right .... Rishi has released 2 texts that he sent to Cameron.

No texts from Cameron have been released.

They don’t look like being released any time soon. Apparently, they were sent with an “expectation of confidentiality “

 

A bit like I pay my taxes with the expectation that my money will be filtered into the pockets of the super rich, by a government more suited to running a banana republic,  than they are the U.K.

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13 hours ago, enntee said:

Let's get it right .... Rishi has released 2 texts that he sent to Cameron.

No texts from Cameron have been released.

The released 2 texts by Rishi indicate that he was politely giving Cameron the brush off.  Surely it's up to Cameron to decide whether or not to release the text messages that Rishi replied to.

 

3 hours ago, sibon said:

Indeed. 
 

The depths of cronyism and corruption that this lot have plumbed renders this indiscretion as fairly minor.

 

After all, what is wrong with using the old boys network to carve up public money?

 

There was no Government loan given using public money. No wrong doing by Rishi or the Government.  

 

I personally don't believe former Prime Ministers should be lobbying for Government loans for private companies and putting themselves in the position Cameron was  in.  However, it was an unprecedented reason why Cameron appears to have been seeking a  covid-19 related Government loan for a private company.  

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14 hours ago, RollingJ said:

Your hairdresser hasn't worked with MP's - has he/she? I had phone numbers of people I worked with/had dealings with in my old job for ages after I retired - still have a couple 12+ years later.

 

 

12 minutes ago, West 77 said:

The released 2 texts by Rishi indicate that he was politely giving Cameron the brush off.  Surely it's up to Cameron to decide whether or not to release the text messages that Rishi replied to.

 

There was no Government loan given using public money. No wrong doing by Rishi or the Government.  

 

I personally don't believe former Prime Ministers should be lobbying for Government loans for private companies and putting themselves in the position Cameron was  in.  However, it was an unprecedented reason why Cameron appears to have been seeking a  covid-19 related Government loan for a private company.  

Let's be very clear here: I am not saying Sunak did anything (other than not immediately releasing these messages when he got them) wrong, what is wrong is that Cameron felt it was OK to text the Chancellor of the Exchequer to beg for a bailout for a corporation that paid him very handsomely for that exact privilege. 

 

This past year we have seen massive amounts of government money being handed out without following due process to 'mates' of ministers. This is a direct indication that the Conservatives think it is absolutely fine to abuse their position of power, entrusted to them by the people that voted for them, by choosing to work with people they 'like' rather than those that have demonstrated competence or an ability to compete on price and quality. The fact that the population of this country isn't outraged by this makes me very sad, it is OUR money that at worst is being squandered to corruption; at best, surreptitiously distributed. 

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Dodgy Dave is in the news again. It seems establishment  networking, sleaze and corruption is rife among this mob of Tories.

https://news.sky.com/story/cameron-took-greensill-for-private-drink-with-hancock-to-discuss-nhs-payment-scheme-report-12272159

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/11/tory-mps-claim-almost-3m-in-housing-rent-on-expenses

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So Bozza was going to follow data, not dates.

 

So given the spikes in some areas (e.g. Barnsley 3x infections) what's the explanation?

 

U turn, or another case of BJ resorting to his default setting... Lying?

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10 minutes ago, steved32 said:

So Bozza was going to follow data, not dates.

 

So given the spikes in some areas (e.g. Barnsley 3x infections) what's the explanation?

 

U turn, or another case of BJ resorting to his default setting... Lying?

The public not following the guidelines - and what has that got to do with the PM, anyway?:confused:

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1 hour ago, Mister Gee said:

You say it as if you're surprised.... 

It was clear before the election that that was what we were getting.

Plenty of people were pointing it out, (didn't people wonder why Boris refused to do the Andrew Neil's pre election interview which would have involved Neil's forensic probing?) 

 

But still people voted for them.... 

This country still seems to feel deferential to the upper classes, and assumes they must know better than them, when in fact all the Tories ever do is shaft them whilst working entirely in their own best interests.

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9 minutes ago, Anna B said:

You say it as if you're surprised.... 

It was clear before the election that that was what we were getting.

Plenty of people were pointing it out, (didn't people wonder why Boris refused to do the Andrew Neil's pre election interview which would have involved Neil's forensic probing?) 

 

But still people voted for them.... 

This country still seems to feel deferential to the upper classes, and assumes they must know better than them, when in fact all the Tories ever do is shaft them whilst working entirely in their own best interests.

I’m not surprised at all, what gets me is how oblivious people are to this corruption. It’s a pity the Labour Party aren’t all over this but they seem to spend more time rowing with the left wingers in their party than they do the Tories.

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6 hours ago, Mister Gee said:

I’m not surprised at all, what gets me is how oblivious people are to this corruption. It’s a pity the Labour Party aren’t all over this but they seem to spend more time rowing with the left wingers in their party than they do the Tories.

I honestly don't think the Labour party play by the same rules. They seem to lack the nasty killer instinct that the Tories possess in spades. The Tories have honed their eviscerating skills over centuries, until with all that practise, they have achieved peak performance in the dirty tricks department.

 

Labour by comparison are relative newcomers. Besides they are a party that considers fairness as one of its founding principles, so are hardly as likely to employ such underhand tactics.

 

Sadly, in any fight, the guy with the knife will win against an unarmed man, but do you really want both to stoop to that level. It's just a pity that voters can't seem to appreciate the difference.

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4 hours ago, Anna B said:

I honestly don't think the Labour party play by the same rules. They seem to lack the nasty killer instinct that the Tories possess in spades. The Tories have honed their eviscerating skills over centuries, until with all that practise, they have achieved peak performance in the dirty tricks department.

 

Labour by comparison are relative newcomers. Besides they are a party that considers fairness as one of its founding principles, so are hardly as likely to employ such underhand tactics.

 

Sadly, in any fight, the guy with the knife will win against an unarmed man, but do you really want both to stoop to that level. It's just a pity that voters can't seem to appreciate the difference.

The left tend to be more concerned about ideological purity than power so  are willing to expend more effort fighting amongst themselves than doing the things necessary to get and maintain power. 

 

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55 minutes ago, andyofborg said:

The left tend to be more concerned about ideological purity than power so  are willing to expend more effort fighting amongst themselves than doing the things necessary to get and maintain power. 

 

Exactly - all talk and little real action.

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14 hours ago, Mister Gee said:

Dodgy Dave hasn't broken any rules. It's a different issue whether the rules need changing.  Ex Prime Ministers all get a windfall someway or other from holding  the highest office in the land.  Dodgy Dave was still a youngest man when he left office and still has years left until his official retirement date. Would you prefer to see ex Prime Ministers such as Dodgy Dave working in B&Q and giving advise on sheds?  Personally I don't begrudge Dodgy Dave cashing in on being Prime Minister because he deserves to be well rewarded for giving the UK people the right to choose whether they wanted to remain or leave the EU.  

 

Three Cheers For Dodgy Dave  !!!   and bring on the Knighthood

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