The Conservative Party - Part Two.

[ECCOnoob 1,044]

2 hours ago, Longcol said:

I'm sure all the nurses signed up knowing they'd be coping with a pandemic - like having a major disaster on your doorstep daily.

 

Presume you think firefighters are overpaid because they don't fight fires the length of each shift on a daily basis ...............................

Oh yeah they are the only ones whose jobs have faced the pressures of coping with the pandemic 🙄

 

Sick to death of anything to do with the NHS being constantly put on some pedestal and given god like status. 

 

It's a job like anyone elses.  Sometimes that job gets tough.  It's what they sign up for.  

 

They kept their pay.  They have even got some rise, above current inflation and during a time when significant others have taken cuts or even lost jobs altogether.

 

Those whinging about their so called mediocre rise really need to stop being so blinkered.  

 

[Mister M 1,625]

7 hours ago, apelike said:

Nurses sign up to do a job and guess what that job is.. yep its nursing as that is what they signed up to do. 

 

 

6 hours ago, ECCOnoob said:

Oh yeah they are the only ones whose jobs have faced the pressures of coping with the pandemic 🙄

 

Sick to death of anything to do with the NHS being constantly put on some pedestal and given god like status. 

[Aww, bless]

 

It's a job like anyone elses.  Sometimes that job gets tough.  It's what they sign up for.  

 

They kept their pay.  They have even got some rise, above current inflation and during a time when significant others have taken cuts or even lost jobs altogether.

 

Those whinging about their so called mediocre rise really need to stop being so blinkered.  

 

So no monetary recognition for those nurses and care staff who for over 12 months have gone way over and above their job descriptions? Foregone annual leave, put their own and their families lives at risk, and suffered the emotional impact of caring for others in a pandemic,  just so they could look after everyone else.

Many nurses have lost their jobs, and left the profession simply because they couldn't cope with the enormous toll on their own mental health.

Dominic Cummings and Boris Johnson couldn't have wished for more unfeeling voters.... It's Thursday so give yourselves a slow handclap this evening 💩

Speaking of which, Johnson gave Cummings a 40% payrise, is spaffing billions of taxpayers money on a useless 'Test and Trace' system headed by friends and relations of prominent Conservative politicians.

Little wonder there's bog all left for those on the front line  

Edited March 11, 2021 by Mister M

[ECCOnoob 1,044]

On what planet is an above inflation pay rise not considered monetary recognition.

 

Lots of workers have gone above and beyond their job descriptions. Lots of workers faced pressures of being in constant overtime. Retail workers, hospitality workers, transport workers, doctors, teachers, support workers, carers, safety teams, emercency services, security staff  logistics workers..... they've all faced massive challenges to meet constant rule changes, changing demands, alternative working operations and an increasingly frustrated public to deal with.  For many others it has been the pressures of simply trying to stay open, stay buoyant and keep employed.

 

Why are nurses singled out as being so special?  They are not. It's a job like any other one. An important job - yes.   A worthwhile profession- yes.   A highly skilled profession-yes.  But it's still their job.

 

Of course the 40% for Dominic Cummings is obscene in comparison but let's not forget he received it in 2019 before the landslide election victory, before covid had even broken out in the Far East and is no longer employed anyway.   All seems a bit of a desperate argument thrown out  by the opposition.  Besides there are plenty of other government and non-government civil servants including some  NHS executives and pen pushers in the Department of Health who are on similar or even significantly more than that a year. Didn't see much finger pointing and calling out those people.

 

As for track and trace,  the world and his mother was screaming and demanding that Boris gets one sorted out.   The NHS and their cheerleaders in the press made big noises that it must be set up immediately to protect their services and gave lots of barbs that Boris was dilly dallying too much.   Well now he has set one up and suddenly we have cries from the usual suspects that its all wrong, all a failure and all too expensive.  

 

As per usual the government can't do right for doing wrong.

 

Any idiots can sit on their backside on the opposition bench screaming their could do better and know-it-all. Not so easy to put into practice when they face the pressure.  

[RJRB 688]

34 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

On what planet is an above inflation pay rise not considered monetary recognition.

 

Lots of workers have gone above and beyond their job descriptions. Lots of workers faced pressures of being in constant overtime. Retail workers, hospitality workers, transport workers, doctors, teachers, support workers, carers, safety teams, emercency services, security staff  logistics workers..... they've all faced massive challenges to meet constant rule changes, changing demands, alternative working operations and an increasingly frustrated public to deal with.  For many others it has been the pressures of simply trying to stay open, stay buoyant and keep employed.

 

Why are nurses singled out as being so special?  They are not. It's a job like any other one. An important job - yes.   A worthwhile profession- yes.   A highly skilled profession-yes.  But it's still their job.

 

Of course the 40% for Dominic Cummings is obscene in comparison but let's not forget he received it in 2019 before the landslide election victory, before covid had even broken out in the Far East and is no longer employed anyway.   All seems a bit of a desperate argument thrown out  by the opposition.  Besides there are plenty of other government and non-government civil servants including some  NHS executives and pen pushers in the Department of Health who are on similar or even significantly more than that a year. Didn't see much finger pointing and calling out those people.

 

As for track and trace,  the world and his mother was screaming and demanding that Boris gets one sorted out.   The NHS and their cheerleaders in the press made big noises that it must be set up immediately to protect their services and gave lots of barbs that Boris was dilly dallying too much.   Well now he has set one up and suddenly we have cries from the usual suspects that its all wrong, all a failure and all too expensive.  

 

As per usual the government can't do right for doing wrong.

 

Any idiots can sit on their backside on the opposition bench screaming their could do better and know-it-all. Not so easy to put into practice when they face the pressure.  

Whilst I agree with much of your comments ,I think that the government has repeatedly left itself open to criticism by the way it has handled sensitive and important issues.

We will see what the pay review board have to say on nurses pay,but it would appear that there was some understanding that a 2.1% rise was to be offered.

https://www.nursingtimes.net/news/policies-and-guidance/nhs-chief-indicates-nurses-had-been-in-line-for-2-1-pay-rise-09-03-2021/

As regards track and trace,Johnson hailed this as the game changer long before vaccines came on the scene.

I know a system is in place but is it really as effective as Johnson would have us believe and the costs are eye watering.

The advent of vaccines and their rollout has fortunately trumped many of the shortcomings of the last year.

There have been numerous instances of over promising and under delivering which are conveniently swept aside as are the allegations of croneyism.

However,the Tories have now got back to a similar lead in the polls as was the case before the pandemic,which as I said in the Labour thread says much about the effectiveness of Kier Starmer.

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Edited March 11, 2021 by RJRB

[alchresearch 214]

I will happily give nurses anything they want if the powers that be begin to address the shocking waste in the NHS. 

 

Its been decades now that they buy new HP computers & printers, use them for a year or two then scrap them for pennies - often with the warranty still in place.  

 

Recycling companies then wipe the machines and sell them for an inflated price.

 

I can understand places wanting guaranteed reliability and very high levels of uptime, but the 30 ex-NHS computers I bought in 2017 are still going (9 hours a day, 5 days a week) and have needed no spare parts whatsoever.

 

It wouldn't be so bad if a government agency actually sold the refurbished machines.

[Mister M 1,625]

59 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

On what planet is an above inflation pay rise not considered monetary recognition.

 

Lots of workers have gone above and beyond their job descriptions. Lots of workers faced pressures of being in constant overtime. Retail workers, hospitality workers, transport workers, doctors, teachers, support workers, carers, safety teams, emercency services, security staff  logistics workers..... they've all faced massive challenges to meet constant rule changes, changing demands, alternative working operations and an increasingly frustrated public to deal with.  For many others it has been the pressures of simply trying to stay open, stay buoyant and keep employed.

 

Why are nurses singled out as being so special?  They are not. It's a job like any other one. An important job - yes.   A worthwhile profession- yes.   A highly skilled profession-yes.  But it's still their job.

 

Of course the 40% for Dominic Cummings is obscene in comparison but let's not forget he received it in 2019 before the landslide election victory, before covid had even broken out in the Far East and is no longer employed anyway.   All seems a bit of a desperate argument thrown out  by the opposition.  Besides there are plenty of other government and non-government civil servants including some  NHS executives and pen pushers in the Department of Health who are on similar or even significantly more than that a year. Didn't see much finger pointing and calling out those people.

 

As for track and trace,  the world and his mother was screaming and demanding that Boris gets one sorted out.   The NHS and their cheerleaders in the press made big noises that it must be set up immediately to protect their services and gave lots of barbs that Boris was dilly dallying too much.   Well now he has set one up and suddenly we have cries from the usual suspects that its all wrong, all a failure and all too expensive.  

 

As per usual the government can't do right for doing wrong.

 

Any idiots can sit on their backside on the opposition bench screaming their could do better and know-it-all. Not so easy to put into practice when they face the pressure.  

You're right that many workers have gone way over and above during the pandemic, and many have lost their jobs. Though it's not often that the right wing speak up for the plight of the unemployed; it just seems to happen when convenient - like the right wing Institute of Economic Affairs complaining about the plight of people with mental health difficulties during the pandemic, only forgetting to mention that they cheerled the cuts in mental health provision over the last 11 years.

The Government have instituted a reorganisation of the NHS away from the Lansley reforms they brought in about 8 years ago; and I would quite happily look at the inflated pay of chief executives, and the like - perhaps having a ratio in the pay structure which meant that no executive could earn more than 8 or 9 times that of their lowest paid worker, for example.

I don't think by the Government simply taking action on setting up a Test and Trace system negates criticism of them for its poor efficacy or that it seems to have been awarded to people with close links to the Tory Party. In the last week didn't a judge  rule that secrecy around these matters was unlawful. Yes any idiot can sit on their backside in opposition screaming they could do better, but that's democracy. Johnson fought like cat and dog to get elected, now he's got elected, it doesn't mean that everyone has to put up and shut up.  Would you or  the Tory party keep quiet and support the Government unstintingly if another party was in power ? - which is what Johnson seems to want Lots of people have pointed out constructive instances of where test and trace could be improved; referenced other countries which have been doing better.

Edited March 11, 2021 by Mister M

[enntee 10]

Deleted. Wrong thread.
 

Edited March 11, 2021 by enntee

[Organgrinder 1,946]

On 11/03/2021 at 10:07, ECCOnoob said:

 

As for track and trace,  the world and his mother was screaming and demanding that Boris gets one sorted out.   The NHS and their cheerleaders in the press made big noises that it must be set up immediately to protect their services and gave lots of barbs that Boris was dilly dallying too much.   Well now he has set one up and suddenly we have cries from the usual suspects that its all wrong, all a failure and all too expensive.  

 

As per usual the government can't do right for doing wrong.

 

Any idiots can sit on their backside on the opposition bench screaming their could do better and know-it-all. Not so easy to put into practice when they face the pressure.  

Yes, the world was screaming for Boris to sort out track & trace. He said he had put in place a "world beating" track & trace but it was the WORST in the world .

It IS a failure and it IS all too expensive.

That's why the Government can't do right - because they are dong things wrong.

 

The Labour opposition, are not much better than the Government but nevertheless, they should, at least, all be working together in a time of National crisis.

The nurses are more valuable and more useful to this country than all the Government & opposition Ministers put together and they do that without all the massive perks which the politicians receive on top of a good salary.

The £33.000 per annum, which Boris keeps quoting, is NOT the salary of tjhe average nurse, but only those at the top of the tree.

The nurses already have a pay rise in place of 2.1% which has been already agreed, legislated for and budgeted for but the Government have gone back on their word.

I would suggest that all those on good salaries who refuse to pay the nurses properly, resign their cushy, well paid jobs and take jobs in the NHS to help the country in it's hour of need.

Edited March 11, 2021 by Organgrinder

[alchresearch 214]

1 hour ago, Organgrinder said:

The £33.000 per annum, which Boris keeps quoting, is NOT the salary of tjhe average nurse, but only those at the top of the tree.

 

This website says that £33k is the average, courtesy of the RCN:

 

Quote

What is the average salary for a Nurse?
The Royal College of Nursing have estimated that the average annual salary of an NHS Nurse is £33,384.

More broadly, we estimate that the average salary for a Nurse is somewhere between £33,000 and £35,000.

 

What is the starting salary for a Nurse in 2021?
A newly qualified Band 5 NHS Nurse currently earns £24,907.

 

https://www.nurses.co.uk/nursing/blog/a-quick-overview-of-nurses--salaries-in-the-uk-in-2021/#starting

Edited March 11, 2021 by alchresearch

[apelike 10]

4 hours ago, Mister M said:

 

So no monetary recognition for those nurses and care staff who for over 12 months have gone way over and above their job descriptions?

Their job description is, as pointed out already, nursing and all that entails unless that job description has changed. 

 

4 hours ago, Mister M said:

Foregone annual leave, put their own and their families lives at risk, and suffered the emotional impact of caring for others in a pandemic,  just so they could look after everyone else.

The above also applies to many others as well and is not specific just to nursing and nurses.

 

4 hours ago, Mister M said:

Many nurses have lost their jobs, and left the profession simply because they couldn't cope with the enormous toll on their own mental health.

So how many have done that since the pandemic started to get a hold? Any figures or is it just media hearsay?

 

4 hours ago, Mister M said:

Dominic Cummings and Boris Johnson couldn't have wished for more unfeeling voters.... It's Thursday so give yourselves a slow handclap this evening 💩

You've spoilt it now and show your colours by mentioning Cummings after all this time. I'm surprised that the nurses union didn't  go for a one handed clap instead as it's going to be as loud and as effective as that.

 

4 hours ago, Mister M said:

Speaking of which, Johnson gave Cummings a 40% payrise, is spaffing billions of taxpayers money on a useless 'Test and Trace' system headed by friends and relations of prominent Conservative politicians.

Little wonder there's bog all left for those on the front line  

A Cummings mention again....

[El Cid 220]

2 hours ago, Organgrinder said:

The Labour opposition, are not much better than the Government but nevertheless, they should, at least, all be working together in a time of National crisis.

That is not how our Government works, except maybe the coalision Government.

[Organgrinder 1,946]

On 11/03/2021 at 13:59, El Cid said:

That is not how our Government works, except maybe the coalision Government.

That is not how Government normally works but, in times of national crisis, they are expected to work together, as they did in WW2.

Of course, that's taking the sensible view and that would never do these days would it?