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The Conservative Party - Part Two.

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21 hours ago, iansheff said:

I see Boris is looking after his friends and family, he put his own brother, his former boss, a billionaire Tory donor, a former top aide and a Brexiteer cricketer in the House of Lords for life. The new peers will be able to claim £305 for each day they attend the Lords until they die or retire without ever having to face an election.

It just shows the Lords is a waste of time and money filled with cronies of whichever Government of the day is in power.

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-puts-brother-billionaire-22450311

 

The Lords should only be composed of ex MPs IMO.

 

At least hereditary peerages don't exist anymore.

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3 hours ago, the_bloke said:

The Lords should only be composed of ex MPs IMO.

 

At least hereditary peerages don't exist anymore.

At least his brother is an ex mp having fallen out with Boris at least twice when he was an MP. 

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4 hours ago, Sidonica said:

At least his brother is an ex mp having fallen out with Boris at least twice when he was an MP. 

Indeed.

 

Joe Johnson will be a valuable addition to the Lords.

 

I don’t think that you could say the same about Phillip May, Ian Botham, or some of the other oddballs that have been proposed.

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                                              ***Breaking News***

 

Another Naughty Tory - Its just like watching 'Mrs America'. Do they think they own the people they employ?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/aug/01/former-minister-arrested-sexual-assault-charge

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2 hours ago, Flanker7 said:

                                              ***Breaking News***

 

Another Naughty Tory - Its just like watching 'Mrs America'. Do they think they own the people they employ?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/aug/01/former-minister-arrested-sexual-assault-charge

We don't know whether the Tory MP is naughty. Like everyone else in this country the Tory MP is innocent until proven guilty.

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1 hour ago, West 77 said:

We don't know whether the Tory MP is naughty. Like everyone else in this country the Tory MP is innocent until proven guilty.

Let’s just talk about Charlie Elphicke for now, then.
 

Or Michael Fallon.

Or  Christopher Pincher.

Or Damien Green.

Or Andrew Griffiths.

 

 

 

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Of course everyone charged with an offence is innocent until proven guilty. Many people in  similar positions withdraw from public life until the matter is sorted out. Charlie Elphicke, 49, the former Conservative MP for Dover, stood down shortly before he was charged in July 2019.

 

He was in the same position for many, many months. He was suspended by the Conservatives when "serious allegations" were passed to police in November 2017, but the whip was restored ahead of a confidence vote against then-Prime Minister Theresa May in 2018. He was again suspended after being charged with three counts of sexual assault on 22 July 2019. Mrs Elphicke, a Conservative party worker for many years, succeeded her husband as the MP for Dover in the General Election of 2-19.

 

Then the verdict was handed down and at that point , and not before, his wife said “Today’s verdict is one that brings profound sorrow. It ends my 25 year marriage to the only man I have ever loved.”

 

Of course the Conservative party, their then leader and Elphicke’s wife have faith in British Justice. Maybe I am cynical but, the above shenanigans, IMO, show  calculated attempts to minimise damage - which failed. Furthermore, was a moral stand taken at any point?

 

The current scandal is another opportunity for the Conservatives to show us their moral compass. Not the guilt or innocence of anyone.

The initial details are not encouraging with the revelation that the Chief Whip knew about the allegations a month ago.**

 

** Correction -- The Sunday Times reported that a fellow Conservative MP first raised the woman’s allegation with Mark Spencer, the Tory chief whip, and Jacob Rees-Mogg, the leader of the House of Commons, after speaking to the alleged victim a month ago. The Press Association said that Spencer had advised her to make a formal complaint.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/aug/01/former-minister-arrested-sexual-assault-charge

Not quite the same thing.

Why are the Press Association speaking for Spencer?

 

Edited by Flanker7
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Tory MP's continue to show unknown "talents" - Here's Tatton MP Esther McVey driving an invisible car.........................

 

 

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22 minutes ago, Longcol said:

Tory MP's continue to show unknown "talents" - Here's Tatton MP Esther McVey driving an invisible car.........................

 

 

You’ve done exceptionally well to find any talent in dear old Esther.

 

She’s so incompetent that even Johnson didn’t stick by her.

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36 minutes ago, Flanker7 said:

Of course everyone charged with an offence is innocent until proven guilty. Many people in  similar positions withdraw from public life until the matter is sorted out. Charlie Elphicke, 49, the former Conservative MP for Dover, stood down shortly before he was charged in July 2019.

 

 

It's irrelevant that Charlie Elphicke stood down before he was charged. Why should an unnamed or named MP stand down or withdraw from public life because allegations have been made against him or her and the police are investigating the matter?  False allegations for political reasons  or vendetta motives would most likely increase if MPs were forced to withdraw from public life after allegation are made against them until the matter is sorted out.  

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11 minutes ago, West 77 said:

It's irrelevant that Charlie Elphicke stood down before he was charged. Why should an unnamed or named MP stand down or withdraw from public life because allegations have been made against him or her and the police are investigating the matter?  False allegations for political reasons  or vendetta motives would most likely increase if MPs were forced to withdraw from public life after allegation are made against them until the matter is sorted out.  

In many professions, if someone is accused of a serious sexual offence, they would be immediately suspended until everything was sorted out. I don’t see why that shouldn’t happen to an MP.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

In many professions, if someone is accused of a serious sexual offence, they would be immediately suspended until everything was sorted out. I don’t see why that shouldn’t happen to an MP.

 

 

Indeed. Not sure if West77 would like a teacher charged with child sex offences still teaching their offspring. But it might be a vendetta so...

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