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5 hours ago, Delbow said:

Much of London is awash with money, it shouldn't require UNICEF to feed children even in a year as exceptional as this one, this is a failure to redistribute wealth by anywhere near enough. 

i'm not sure that much of London is awash with money, a few small parts are very awash with money, i'd guess the majority is probably not much different from up here but also on the faced with the additional load which the higher cost of living imposes on them,  

 

though you are quite correct, unicef shouldn't have to fund feeding children in the uk, anyone who has been in governement over the last 20-30 years should feel ashamed that they are having too. Given his professed faith, someone should be pointing Mr Rees-Mogg to Deuteronomy 15:11

 

 

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For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’

https://www.openbible.info/topics/helping_others

 

 

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19 hours ago, andyofborg said:

i'm not sure that much of London is awash with money, a few small parts are very awash with money, i'd guess the majority is probably not much different from up here 

 

 

A lot of it really is. Yes, it has your Peckhams and North Kensingtons, but so many low income people have been cleansed into the margins now. There are plenty of people in London who could figuratively find the £25k down the back of their £25k sofas.

 

We could just turn this woman upside down and see what falls out of her pockets, then we wouldn't need anything from UNICEF

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I don't know if anyone watched the Government's Coronavirus briefing today, but even by his own very poor standards, it was a shocking performance by Johnson.

He was late, again. He looked disheveled, like he'd slept in his suit for the last 2 days. He smirked most of the way through the ordeal, and let's not forget we're talking about a deadly disease that has killed tens of thousands of people in this country alone.

He didn't even bother to respond to journalist's questions in a meaningful manner that would be recognised as answers. 

Used his "alas" catchphrase a few times to pander to the Tory base 

At the end of it, he said "is that it" as if he had just been given a telling off by a teacher.

I was cringing for him. And I'm not even a Tory!

I'd love it if the BBC went back to those red wall areas to do more vox pops in places like Blythe or Mansfield  which they did to death before the last election.

 

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15 minutes ago, Mister M said:

I don't know if anyone watched the Government's Coronavirus briefing today, but even by his own very poor standards, it was a shocking performance by Johnson.

He was late, again. He looked disheveled, like he'd slept in his suit for the last 2 days. He smirked most of the way through the ordeal, and let's not forget we're talking about a deadly disease that has killed tens of thousands of people in this country alone.

He didn't even bother to respond to journalist's questions in a meaningful manner that would be recognised as answers. 

Used his "alas" catchphrase a few times to pander to the Tory base 

At the end of it, he said "is that it" as if he had just been given a telling off by a teacher.

I was cringing for him. And I'm not even a Tory!

I'd love it if the BBC went back to those red wall areas to do more vox pops in places like Blythe or Mansfield  which they did to death before the last election.

 

He was awful in every way, and as you point out, failed to answer any questions. Even journalists were trying to follow up questions from other journos and he just kept ignoring them. He's utterly useless.

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I...I...I...I...um...well...like I said...I...I..I ...er...errr...let us not forget [wave fist about]...I...I...I...ahhhhh...over to Professor Whitty

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42 minutes ago, Mister M said:

I don't know if anyone watched the Government's Coronavirus briefing today, but even by his own very poor standards, it was a shocking performance by Johnson.

He was late, again. He looked disheveled, like he'd slept in his suit for the last 2 days. He smirked most of the way through the ordeal, and let's not forget we're talking about a deadly disease that has killed tens of thousands of people in this country alone.

He didn't even bother to respond to journalist's questions in a meaningful manner that would be recognised as answers. 

Used his "alas" catchphrase a few times to pander to the Tory base 

At the end of it, he said "is that it" as if he had just been given a telling off by a teacher.

I was cringing for him. And I'm not even a Tory!

I'd love it if the BBC went back to those red wall areas to do more vox pops in places like Blythe or Mansfield  which they did to death before the last election.

 

Hate burst the bubble.

 

Already posted something similar yesterday on the Labour Party thread so here's a bit of re-edit. 

 

I'd recommend reading the excellent book, 'Beyond The Red Wall: Why Labour Post, How The Conservatives Won And What Will Happen Next?' by Deborah Mattinson.

 

The author interviewed many previous, long-standing Labour across Labour's Northern heartlands as to why they voted Conservative at the last election, turning their backs on Labour & it wasn't just because of Corbyn.  

 

I saw Mattinson, once dubbed, 'Gordon Brown' s favourite pollster', being interviewed on Sky last week, regarding Brexit issues but she was asked about other areas of politics, including Starmer & how people in these Northern constituencies view how Labour / the Conservative, Starmer & Johnson are viewed at present in regards to the COVID pandemic? 

 

Ms Mattinson is still doing her polling work in those Northern heartlands & according to her, 'Labour is seen less as a Party of pints & pies, more of a Party of quinoa', under Starmer.

 

Johnson is seen as a capable leader with regards to the pandemic, especially as he also other such issues on his plate such as Brexit.  The vast majority of Northern voters in those once Labour constituencies, just see that it's unfortunate that he has the pandemic to additionally deal with.  Many apparently have a great deal of sympathy for his current plight.  So very few have actually changed their minds about his abilities.  Maybe the Northern voters are not as cynical as the London based media, always out for a 'Gotcha' headline? 

 

Starmer on the other hand, is seen as ineffective, even in his criticism of Jonhson's handling of the pandemic.  Starmer is also viewed in lacking any credible alternative responses as to how he would have responded to the pandemic, other than his  constant criticism, which is an apparent turn off, even for those once Labour voters.   People appear to be turned off by those who just constantly criticise.

 

As Ms Mattison also said in the interview, "The (Labour) Party, remains London-centric to Northerners, with many unable to relate to him, (Starmer), yet many are still willingly supporting a man who's middle name is 'de Pfeffel."

42 minutes ago, Mister M said:

 

Edited by Baron99
Amended as same response posted twice

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7 minutes ago, Baron99 said:

Hate burst the bubble.

 

Already posted something similar yesterday on the Labour Party thread so here's a bit of re-edit. 

 

I'd recommend reading the excellent book, 'Beyond The Red Wall: Why Labour Post, How The Conservatives Won And What Will Happen Next?' by Deborah Mattinson.

 

The author interviewed many previous, long-standing Labour across Labour's Northern heartlands as to why they voted Conservative at the last election, turning their backs on Labour & it wasn't just because of Corbyn.  

 

I saw Mattinson, once dubbed, 'Gordon Brown' s favourite pollster', being interviewed on Sky last week, regarding Brexit issues but she was asked about other areas of politics, including Starmer & how people in these Northern constituencies view how Labour / the Conservative, Starmer & Johnson are viewed at present in regards to the COVID pandemic? 

 

Ms Mattinson is still doing her polling work in those Northern heartlands & according to her, 'Labour is seen less as a Party of pints & pies, more of a Party of quinoa', under Starmer.

 

Johnson is seen as a capable leader with regards to the pandemic, especially as he also other such issues on his plate such as Brexit.  The vast majority of Northern voters in those once Labour constituencies, just see that it's unfortunate that he has the pandemic to additionally deal with.  Many apparently have a great deal of sympathy for his current plight.  So very few have actually changed their minds about his abilities.  Maybe the Northern voters are not as cynical as the London based media, always out for a 'Gotcha' headline? 

 

Starmer on the other hand, is seen as ineffective, even in his criticism of Jonhson's handling of the pandemic.  Starmer is also viewed in lacking any credible alternative responses as to how he would have responded to the pandemic, other than his  constant criticism, which is an apparent turn off, even for those once Labour voters.   People appear to be turned off by those who just constantly criticise.

 

As Ms Mattison also said in the interview, "The (Labour) Party, remains London-centric to Northerners, with many unable to relate to him, (Starmer), yet many are still willingly supporting a man who's middle name is 'de Pfeffel."

Sounds like those red wall voters and Johnson and his Government deserve each other.

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8 minutes ago, Mister M said:

Sounds like those red wall voters and Johnson and his Government deserve each other.

Only reporting the truth from a respected pollster who continues to carry out her work.  And a Labour supporter herself to boot, apparently. 

 

Aren't facts fantastic?

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12 minutes ago, Baron99 said:

Only reporting the truth from a respected pollster who continues to carry out her work.  And a Labour supporter herself to boot, apparently. 

 

Aren't facts fantastic?

Just trying to verify a couple more facts. Apparently, at the time when Boris said there was 170 trucks sat on the M20 outside Dover, there was actually 945.

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19 minutes ago, Baron99 said:

Only reporting the truth from a respected pollster who continues to carry out her work.  And a Labour supporter herself to boot, apparently. 

 

Aren't facts fantastic?

Facts are fantastic. Pity Boris Johnson is too much of a liar to acquaint himself with them. 

 

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11 minutes ago, Mister M said:

Facts are fantastic. Pity Boris Johnson is too much of a liar to acquaint himself with them. 

 

But we weren't discussing Boris per se but what you thought of all those previous Labour, Northern voters who voted Conservative & how they would now view Boris. 

 

Ms Mattison's continued research & interpretation have provided you with an answer to your question.  Whether you like the answer or not, is another matter. 

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52 minutes ago, Baron99 said:

Johnson is seen as a capable leader with regards to the pandemic, especially as he also other such issues on his plate such as Brexit.  The vast majority of Northern voters in those once Labour constituencies, just see that it's unfortunate that he has the pandemic to additionally deal with. 

If you Google that, the results are from late March this year. So perhaps only the die hard Boris voters would say that now.

As we have seen from the USA, once people have voted in a leader, some choose not to accept their mistake.

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