The Conservative Party - Part Two.

[tinfoilhat 11]

1 minute ago, El Cid said:

There are only around 600 MPs, better to tax those very, very rich footballers and FTSE directors.

Those very rich footballers are all on PAYE for their salaries so the top ones will pay more in tax in year than you will in a lifetime.

[Anna B 1,414]

1 hour ago, El Cid said:

There are only around 600 MPs, better to tax those very, very rich footballers and FTSE directors.

Without question. Tax those as well.

[Pettytom 1]

4 minutes ago, Anna B said:

Without question. Tax those as well.

They do.

 

So what next?

[sheffbag 230]

10 hours ago, El Cid said:

There are only around 600 MPs, better to tax those very, very rich footballers and FTSE directors.

 

9 hours ago, Anna B said:

Without question. Tax those as well.

The premier league figures for season 2016/17 show that the clubs and players paid £3.3BN in taxes to the government. I cant find figures for later than that but it can only be higher.

 

As a comparison figure SCC spends £1.4BN a year on its services so the premier league in 2 years provides enough finances to fund SCC services for nearly 5 years 

Or it provides the funds that would be paid if you lower the personal allowance tax rate by £1000 for 16.5Million  of the lowest earning people who pay no income tax or are on the basic rate

 

That enough tax paid for you or how much would you tax them?

 

Dont forget as well that in the 13 years Labour was in charge they increased the tax free personal allowance from 4,045 to 6,475 (c50% or 3.5% a year) but in the 10 years since 2010 the tories have increased it from 6,475 to 12,500 (c100% or 10% a year). Didnt labour remove the 10% tax rate as well? Seems the Tories provide more support to the lower paid than Labour did.

 

Edited November 26, 2020 by sheffbag

[Pettytom 1]

Lovely to see that the Chumocracy is alive and kicking:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/26/matt-hancock-former-neighbour-won-covid-test-kit-contract-after-whatsapp-message?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

When this is over the public inquiry is going to be spectacular.

Edited November 26, 2020 by Pettytom

[altus 540]

24 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

Lovely to see that the Chumocracy is alive and kicking:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/26/matt-hancock-former-neighbour-won-covid-test-kit-contract-after-whatsapp-message?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

When this is over the public inquiry is going to be spectacular.

No it won't be. They either won't have one or they'll knobble it so it can't produce any significant criticism of them.

[Anna B 1,414]

2 hours ago, Pettytom said:

Lovely to see that the Chumocracy is alive and kicking:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/26/matt-hancock-former-neighbour-won-covid-test-kit-contract-after-whatsapp-message?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

When this is over the public inquiry is going to be spectacular.

If only that were true...

As altus says, it will be an expensive  whitewash. 

It always is.

[Pettytom 1]

58 minutes ago, Anna B said:

If only that were true...

As altus says, it will be an expensive  whitewash. 

It always is.

 

2 hours ago, altus said:

No it won't be. They either won't have one or they'll knobble it so it can't produce any significant criticism of them.

That really depends upon who gets to carry it out.

[L00b 441]

20 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

That really depends upon who gets to carry it out.

Wishful thinking, and with 3.5 years to go with an 80-seat majority, more than ample time to normalise and foster forgetfulness amongst the masses.

 

Drowning opposition and dissent in ever more dead cats bounced at a rate of knots, is what the Tories learned best from the alt right playbook in recent years.

Edited November 26, 2020 by L00b

[Mister M 1,625]

1 hour ago, L00b said:

Wishful thinking, and with 3.5 years to go with an 80-seat majority, more than ample time to normalise and foster forgetfulness amongst the masses.

 

Drowning opposition and dissent in ever more dead cats bounced at a rate of knots, is what the Tories learned best from the alt right playbook in recent years.

There are a number of pressure groups linked to the Government's handling of the pandemic - ranging from families whose members have died of COVID; the Excluded  - people who have received no financial support; established PPE providers who have been ignored over mates of Tory MPs etc etc. These groups are not going away, neither are some of the media who refuse to tug their forelocks and will continue to hold ministers to account.

The public won't forget the pandemic either - it's been too traumatising, and its effects too devastating for many to forget.

[whiteowl 54]

6 hours ago, sheffbag said:

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Dont forget as well that in the 13 years Labour was in charge they increased the tax free personal allowance from 4,045 to 6,475 (c50% or 3.5% a year) but in the 10 years since 2010 the tories have increased it from 6,475 to 12,500 (c100% or 10% a year). Didnt labour remove the 10% tax rate as well? Seems the Tories provide more support to the lower paid than Labour did.

 

It was actually a Lib Dem policy in the coalition that was instrumental in the big increases to personal allowances, a £10,000 starting point for income tax was the Lib Dems flagship policy at the 2010 election. The tories have always tried to claim credit for it though, even when Cameron was arguing against it 🙄

 

A fairer comparison is perhaps :

Last 5 years of Labour - increase of 32%

5 years of coalition - increase of 54%

5 years of Tory - increase of 25%

 

In respect to tax allowances I'd suggest it's the Lib Dems that support the lower paid workers more.

 

Historical list of personal allowances :

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/882237/Table-a1.pdf

[L00b 441]

53 minutes ago, Mister M said:

There are a number of pressure groups linked to the Government's handling of the pandemic - ranging from families whose members have died of COVID; the Excluded  - people who have received no financial support; established PPE providers who have been ignored over mates of Tory MPs etc etc. These groups are not going away, neither are some of the media who refuse to tug their forelocks and will continue to hold ministers to account.

The public won't forget the pandemic either - it's been too traumatising, and its effects too devastating for many to forget.

And there was a million people march and demo about Brexit, yet enough of the public  forgot the austerity visited on them for 9 years by the Tories, when Johnson was dangling his 'get Brexit done' sloganeering baubles at them last December.

 

I don't dispute your point, Mister M, and I'm keenly aware of pressure groups.

 

But I'm just as keenly aware of their complete inefficiency in a political context as widely polarised (on many levels) as in the last few years, besides the public's habitual fickleness.

 

You can call that cynicism if you wish, I really don't mind 

 

Edited November 26, 2020 by L00b