The Conservative Party - Part Two.

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[Guest sibon]

Now Jack Doyle resigns.

 

A good day, all told.

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He's having quite the day isn't he.

 

Could not happen to a nicer bloke

[El Cid 219]

6 minutes ago, sibon said:

Now Jack Doyle resigns.

 

A good day, all told.

At least the Tories are seen as good at looking after the economy!

The Bank of England is tasked with keeping inflation at 2%, RPI inflation is 7.5% and predicted to go higher.

[Litotes 63]

So basically what we are seeing are Boris' pigeons coming home to roost.

 

He got away with blatant lies when he was in publishing until they got fed up and sacked him - same thing happening here...

He bullied his way though until someone said enough is enough - same thing happening here...

 

He is not delivering Brexit - he has totally screwed the democratic Northern Irish by making promises that international treaties say cannot be made.

The economy is down the pan...

 

Levelling up is a joke - he is robbing the north to pay the north... you hear no complaints from the South East because they haven't lost anything and they know that his promises are like fairy dust.

 

So, all in all, he is a fraud and anyone who supports him is also a fraud, but the person they are deceiving the most is themselves.

 

Democracy is about being able to change your mind - including about a lame duck of a PM.

 

Go BoJo, Go!

[Dromedary 166]

18 minutes ago, Litotes said:

Democracy is about being able to change your mind - including about a lame duck of a PM.

No its not, honestly...... 

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2 more senior advisors just jumped ship.

 

 

4 leaving do's to organize.  BYOB

Rosenfield is Boris Johnson’s chief of staff, while Martin Reynolds is the prime minister’s principal private secretary. The latter has been thrust into the spotlight recently after it emerged he sent an email inviting more than 100 Downing Street staff to a drinks party in May 2020.

[Dromedary 166]

1 hour ago, El Cid said:

At least the Tories are seen as good at looking after the economy!

The Bank of England is tasked with keeping inflation at 2%, RPI inflation is 7.5% and predicted to go higher.

Yes but RPI is not what is normally used for inflation figures as that is CPI which is at 5.3%. RPI is used to misrepresent inflation figures because its higher than CPI so looks worse. What has been quoted by the BOE is that CPI, the true measure of inflation (5.3%), is predicted to peak in April at 7.25%. I notice several on twitter also doing the same as well, bless em! 

 

Please stop using an outdated inflation metric to try and prove inflation it is worse than it already is. 

Edited February 3, 2022 by Dromedary

[El Cid 219]

1 hour ago, Dromedary said:

Yes but RPI is not what is normally used for inflation figures as that is CPI which is at 5.3%. RPI is used to misrepresent inflation figures because its higher than CPI so looks worse. What has been quoted by the BOE is that CPI, the true measure of inflation (5.3%), is predicted to peak in April at 7.25%. I notice several on twitter also doing the same as well, bless em! 

 

Please stop using an outdated inflation metric to try and prove inflation it is worse than it already is. 

RPI inflation is published by the ONS, a perfectly valid measure of inflation.

RPI (retail price inflation) is used to determine many statutory prices including rail fares and student loans payments.

Why do you use the CPI figure for inflation?

The energy price cap is increasing by 54% and broadband and phone bills will jump by 9.3%, CPI inflation is the figure the Government prefer to use, because its inacurate and lower.

 

Edited February 3, 2022 by El Cid

[Litotes 63]

So we have seen the closest of Boris' confidants and advisors leave him behind,

When is the Tory party realise that he was the puppet for these people and that without them he is a spineless rag of a doll who will collapse, and with his collapse, the collapse of the party.

 

Long may he survive, because if he does, then the other parties will succeed!

 

2 hours ago, Dromedary said:

No its not, honestly...... 

I don't understand your point... please explain.

[Mister M 1,625]

11 hours ago, West 77 said:

I don't agree with the comments Boris made regarding Starmer and Savile but the truth is politics is a dirty game.  Dirty tactics have been used against Boris via the media and the opposition parties for months now and it's understandable why Boris decided to give Starmer some of his own medicine.  

 

8 hours ago, ECCOnoob said:

I've said very similar on the other thread. Ultimately, it is all just mudslinging and political games.  If Starmer can get on his high horse shouting from his podium and trying to put blame on Boris personally for all failures within No 10 and the Cabinet Office regarding "partygate" then why shouldn't Boris be able to throw a little bit of mud back and blame Starmer personally for failures during his time at the CPS.

 

Starmer apologised for such failures and moved on. However as soon as Boris tries to do the same, Starmer take some moral high ground and demands his  head on a plate.  

 

Work both ways.    The victims of Savile may well be upset by the remarks but equally the the victims of Covid have been blatantly exploited  by Starmer as political point scoring multiple times.

 

This is operational Parliament not some political rally. Is a constant stream of smearing, speculation and finger pointing.  

 

Holding the government to account is one thing but this goes well well beyond and demeans it down to a level of petulant childish nitpicking with lots of embarrassing he said she said. It's about time the house leaders got all MPs heads smashed together to start actually cooperating and getting some things done.  

 

Official report has been produced. A police investigation is ongoing. That's it for the moment. Nothing more to say. Nothing more to do. Until such results are produced and any penalties our forthcoming  - why are they still talking about it. Time to move on.  There is other stuff going on.

A different point of view.

 

Since the pandemic the Labour Party, much to the annoyance of many members of the public, have adopted a constructive approach to opposition - so that they supported the Government in its measures to deal with the virus - such as lockdowns, furlough, business support loans, mask wearing etc. In fact if it hadn't have been for the Labour Party's support the Government's 'Plan B' measures a few weeks ago wouldn't have got through Parliament, because many of Johnson's own MPs voted against the measures.

Where there has been opposition, for example, is where the Government locked down too late, and opened up too early, the PPE scandal, the crony contracts and the Test and Trace fiasco.

 

I think Boris Johnson's response to this has often been childish - calling Starmer 'Captain Hindsight' etc. In fact Starmer was only being cautious, as the scientists at the time were.

 

I cannot imagine for one second that had the boot been on the other foot, and Labour had been in power, Johnson would've offered cross party support. 

In fact the last time a global crisis happened - the banking crisis / credit crunch in 2008, everything was the fault of Gordon Brown. Not one bit of cross party support was offered for the bail outs etc. 

I had just joined this Forum when that happened, and the Tories on here were clear. It's happened on Labour's watch, it's their fault.

 

There will be a public inquiry into the handling of the pandemic, and much will come out about the decisions made and the impact on mortality rate .

However, a lot of the flack that Johnson is now taking is of his own making. The parties and get togethers. They cannot be blamed on the Labour Party. Johnson knows this and is angry at being found out. Throwing Jimmy Saville into the mix lacked decency and class, but I suppose no-one expected those attributes from Johnson. 

It's backfired. Many of his own back benchers are disgusted, some of his private staff have left, and even some of the the more supportive elements of the media are turned off by it. 

 

 

Edited February 3, 2022 by Mister M

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4 hours ago, El Cid said:

RPI inflation is published by the ONS, a perfectly valid measure of inflation.

Yes it is a valid measure of RPI inflation but as the BOE and other countries use CPI its being a bit disingenuous using it. You initially stated that the BOE is tasked at keeping inflation at 2% (CPI value) then go on to say RPI inflation is 7.5% and predicted to go higher. That is like comparing apples to oranges! 

 

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RPI (retail price inflation) is used to determine many statutory prices including rail fares and student loans payments.

Why do you use the CPI figure for inflation?

Because it is the international way of compiling inflation statistics and its not my choice.   Either use one or the other but don't mix the two as that is just underhanded.

 

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The energy price cap is increasing by 54% and broadband and phone bills will jump by 9.3%, CPI inflation is the figure the Government prefer to use, because its inacurate and lower.

No, once again.. sigh... its because that is how the UK the EU and other countries compile their inflation stats and unless we have a common ground it will not make sense when comparing inflation stats. BTW what is the RPI inflation rate in the Eurozone?  

 

3 hours ago, Litotes said:

I don't understand your point... please explain.

No need to,  just look up at what democracy means.

Edited February 4, 2022 by Dromedary