The Conservative Party - Part Two.

[Mister Gee 812]

18 minutes ago, Mister M said:

And those are the same Tories that encouraged the red wall to turn blue

Swathes of ‘red wall’ Tory seats to be among hardest hit by cost of living crisis | Conservatives | The Guardian

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It’s strange isn’t it, when it comes to saving their eighty grand a year jobs these free marketeers want a bit of Socialism.

[Delbow 686]

It's oddly gratifying. Usually it's Labour who are trying to appeal to everyone and inevitably failing, but since the Tories won those red wall seats they are having the same headache. It shows that people in different parts of the UK and in different economic classes have divergent and competing interests - it's not the "classless society" that we're all supposed to believe in.

[Litotes 63]

21 hours ago, hackey lad said:

Which manifesto pledge ? 

3. No income tax, VAT or National Insurance rises

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50524262

 

But that's just one lie...

Boris is sticking true to form.

 

A liar, a cheat, a sexist racist and a bully - all of which have been proven in public - just google it to see.

[Mister Gee 812]

4 minutes ago, Litotes said:

3. No income tax, VAT or National Insurance rises

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50524262

 

But that's just one lie...

Boris is sticking true to form.

 

A liar, a cheat, a sexist racist and a bully - all of which have been proven in public - just google it to see.

Don’t be too hard on him, he’s got special needs.

[hackey lad 3,949]

Just now, Mister Gee said:

Don’t be too hard on him, he’s got special needs.

😅😅😅 

[ECCOnoob 1,020]

11 hours ago, Litotes said:

3. No income tax, VAT or National Insurance rises

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50524262

 

But that's just one lie...

Boris is sticking true to form.

 

A liar, a cheat, a sexist racist and a bully - all of which have been proven in public - just google it to see.

Now just what events do you think could have happened over the past couple of years which has changed the position dramatically?

 

Jesus, when will people grow up and realise it is irrelevant which political party was in power. You have to be an absolute imbecile not to link the massive global pandemic, huge impacts on the economy, huge expenses in treatment and resources alongside the already turbulent environments of brexit and not be ready for some impact on rises to taxes and costs of living.

 

ALL political parties and candidates make pledges about what they wish to do if they get into power. But we all know that reality changes dramatically as events go on and even more so when there is a house of 650 representatives who are free to vote whichever way they choose on bills and policy put before them. Let's not sit there pretending such is just a Tory issue. That's just stupidity. The great captain hindsight on the other side of the house has hardly given shining examples of what he would do better and would have had to face exactly the same sort of challenges, conflicts and resistance and boycotting in any event.

 

Said before and will say again, any moron can sit there criticising and finger pointing. Actually coming up with a practical and workable solution which pleases everybody is an entirely different matter.

 

Putting aside the singling out of Boris Johnson which seems to be taking precedence, let's just think about a few basic facts. The current government assumed office at the end of July 2019, less than 6-months into their term Covid happened and the first UK cases where discovered. As soon as that broke out, all bets - not just in this country but around the world - were off.  Any grandiose plans that I'm sure they would have a liked to implement have been completely overtook by bigger demands and global level actions against a worldwide event.

 

Anyone who thought  there was going to be any sort of normality or commitment to electoral pledges in such disruptive circumstances (by any party) is absolutely naive.

Edited January 31, 2022 by ECCOnoob

[RollingJ 1,999]

6 hours ago, ECCOnoob said:

Now just what events do you think could have happened over the past couple of years which has changed the position dramatically?

 

Jesus, when will people grow up and realise it is irrelevant which political party was in power. You have to be an absolute imbecile not to link the massive global pandemic, huge impacts on the economy, huge expenses in treatment and resources alongside the already turbulent environments of brexit and not be ready for some impact on rises to taxes and costs of living.

 

ALL political parties and candidates make pledges about what they wish to do if they get into power. But we all know that reality changes dramatically as events go on and even more so when there is a house of 650 representatives who are free to vote whichever way they choose on bills and policy put before them. Let's not sit there pretending such is just a Tory issue. That's just stupidity. The great captain hindsight on the other side of the house has hardly given shining examples of what he would do better and would have had to face exactly the same sort of challenges, conflicts and resistance and boycotting in any event.

 

Said before and will say again, any moron can sit there criticising and finger pointing. Actually coming up with a practical and workable solution which pleases everybody is an entirely different matter.

 

Putting aside the singling out of Boris Johnson which seems to be taking precedence, let's just think about a few basic facts. The current government assumed office at the end of July 2019, less than 6-months into their term Covid happened and the first UK cases where discovered. As soon as that broke out, all bets - not just in this country but around the world - were off.  Any grandiose plans that I'm sure they would have a liked to implement I've been completely overtook by bigger demands and global level actions against a worldwide event.

 

Anyone who thought  there was going to be any sort of normality or commitment to electoral pledges in such disruptive circumstances (by any party) is absolutely naive.

You will never convince some, @ECCOnoob, however hard and logically you try. 😭

[L00b 441]

6 hours ago, ECCOnoob said:

Now just what events do you think could have happened over the past couple of years which has changed the position dramatically?

 

Jesus, when will people grow up and realise it is irrelevant which political party was in power. You have to be an absolute imbecile not to link the massive global pandemic, huge impacts on the economy, huge expenses in treatment and resources alongside the already turbulent environments of brexit and not be ready for some impact on rises to taxes and costs of living.

 

ALL political parties and candidates make pledges about what they wish to do if they get into power. But we all know that reality changes dramatically as events go on and even more so when there is a house of 650 representatives who are free to vote whichever way they choose on bills and policy put before them. Let's not sit there pretending such is just a Tory issue. That's just stupidity. The great captain hindsight on the other side of the house has hardly given shining examples of what he would do better and would have had to face exactly the same sort of challenges, conflicts and resistance and boycotting in any event.

 

Said before and will say again, any moron can sit there criticising and finger pointing. Actually coming up with a practical and workable solution which pleases everybody is an entirely different matter.

 

Putting aside the singling out of Boris Johnson which seems to be taking precedence, let's just think about a few basic facts. The current government assumed office at the end of July 2019, less than 6-months into their term Covid happened and the first UK cases where discovered. As soon as that broke out, all bets - not just in this country but around the world - were off.  Any grandiose plans that I'm sure they would have a liked to implement I've been completely overtook by bigger demands and global level actions against a worldwide event.

 

Anyone who thought  there was going to be any sort of normality or commitment to electoral pledges in such disruptive circumstances (by any party) is absolutely naive.

The issue is not cushioning the fiscal impact of Covid.

 

The issue is the scale of cushioning required due to fiscal waste and corrupt practices by this government.

 

E.g. £37bn on an unfit for purpose track-and-trace system, when countries with similar population levels to the UK and faced with the exact same system requirements, spent less than a fraction of that amount on a working system.

 

Much of which £37bn is as yet unexplained, and left to crowdfunded initiatives like Jolyon Maugham’s GoodLaw Project to investigate before the Courts, instead of MPs whose job it is.

 

Why any taxpayer would still give Johnson’s government a pass on this waste and corruption under the guise of mitigating Covid, and then apologise even for the ensuing tax hikes to pay for it, is completely beyond me, and most anyone else looking at it ‘from the outside’.

 

It’s your money they wasted and they and their mates stole, FGS! 🙄

[Delbow 686]

4 minutes ago, L00b said:

The issue is not cushioning the fiscal impact of Covid.

 

The issue is the scale of cushioning required due to fiscal waste and corrupt practices by this government.

 

E.g. £37bn on an unfit for purpose track-and-trace system, when countries with similar population levels to the UK and faced with the exact same system requirements, spent less than a fraction of that amount on a working system.

 

Much of which £37bn is as yet unexplained, and left to crowdfunded initiatives like Jolyon Maugham’s GoodLaw Project to investigate before the Courts, instead of MPs whose job it is.

 

Why any taxpayer would still give Johnson’s government a pass on this waste and corruption under the guise of mitigating Covid, and then apologise even for the ensuing tax hikes to pay for it, is completely beyond me, and most anyone else looking at it ‘from the outside’.

 

It’s your money they wasted and they and their mates stole, FGS! 🙄

Also they bought £2.7bn of excess PPE that won't be used, and let fraudsters steal £4.9bn in Covid loans. But "can't afford" to keep the £20 per week Universal Credit uplift. Such an unbelievably wasteful government.

[L00b 441]

17 minutes ago, Delbow said:

Also they bought £2.7bn of excess PPE that won't be used, and let fraudsters steal £4.9bn in Covid loans. But "can't afford" to keep the £20 per week Universal Credit uplift. Such an unbelievably wasteful government.

Well, that was just *an* example (arguably the loudest) in the specific context of Covid measures posited in Econoob’s post.

 

There’s similar levels of waste the length and breadth of Ministries, going back a couple years or longer. E.g. Truss’ reported £500k jet ride to Oz for signing that FTA last week or the week before, when she could have first-classed it with BA or Quantas for £7k. It’s a long, long list that accrues a lot of beeellions by now…

 

…and don’t get me started on the vandalism visited by this government on corporate tax receipts through pushing the hardest possible form of Brexit, without much of any preparations or business support, short of no deal.

 

Considering the Conservatives have had a decade at the helm, and are supposedly the party of business/prudential governance, then whenever some imbecile still comes up with ‘yeah but Labour’ after all that, you’ve really got to laugh.

Edited January 31, 2022 by L00b

[Delbow 686]

2 minutes ago, L00b said:

Well, that was just *an* example (arguably the loudest) in the specific context of Covid measures posited in Econoob’s post.

 

There’s similar levels of waste the length and breadth of Ministries, going back a couple years or longer. E.g. Truss’ reported £500k jet ride to Oz for signing that FTA last week or the week before, when she could have first-classed it with BA or Quantas for £7k. It’s a long, long list that accrues a lot of beeellions by now…

 

…and don’t get me started on the vandalism visited by this government on corporate tax receipts through pushing the hardest possible form of Brexit, without much of any preparations or business support, short of no deal.

Waste is endemic in this government, but I'm sure they don't see it as such given that it ends up in their friends' pockets. Imagine if it was their own money they were wasting.

[L00b 441]

Just now, Delbow said:

Waste is endemic in this government, but I'm sure they don't see it as such given that it ends up in their friends' pockets. Imagine if it was their own money they were wasting.

But that’s just the thing: my point is about everyday British people, whose money it is that they are wasting, who are still finding and posting excuses for them now!

 

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