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7 hours ago, tinfoilhat said:

The polls disagree. After the week he's had, he's gone up a point.

Labour are 15/8 with William Hills, still a good chance

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14 hours ago, RJRB said:

It doesn’t reflect well on those who continue to support him,but he will be gone before the next GE if the party has any ethics at all.

Carrying on dreaming.  The truth is the majority of Tory MPs didn't want Boris to ever lead the party until the actions of the rogue parliament.  The truth is under Theresa May the Tory party got into a pickle and wouldn't have won a majority in a general election.  The Tory MPs turned to Boris because they knew he was the man to turn their fortunes around and secure victory in a general election. There is no one waiting in the wings to replace Boris who will preform better for the Tory party in the next general election which is why the party will not remove him.  

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4 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Carrying on dreaming.  The truth is the majority of Tory MPs didn't want Boris to ever lead the party until the actions of the rogue parliament.  The truth is under Theresa May the Tory party got into a pickle and wouldn't have won a majority in a general election.  The Tory MPs turned to Boris because they knew he was the man to turn their fortunes around and secure victory in a general election. There is no one waiting in the wings to replace Boris who will preform better for the Tory party in the next general election which is why the party will not remove him.  

Too true.

 

Theresa May got in a pickle because it became obvious that Brexit was a massive mistake and we were in an impossible situation in the negotiations. She is has her integrity and honesty in tact. 

But the Tory party only care about winning and being having power. They will get rid of anyone who has no chance of delivering that, ask Maggie! Honesty and integrity fall victim of that overriding pursuit in the Tory Party. 

 

They say you can fool some of the people all of the time and fool all of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time.

Thats not true of our democratic system. I just hope that they cannot fool 50% +1 of the people all of the time.

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16 minutes ago, Flanker7 said:

Too true.

 

Theresa May got in a pickle because it became obvious that Brexit was a massive mistake and we were in an impossible situation in the negotiations. She is has her integrity and honesty in tact. 

But the Tory party only care about winning and being having power. They will get rid of anyone who has no chance of delivering that, ask Maggie! Honesty and integrity fall victim of that overriding pursuit in the Tory Party. 

 

They say you can fool some of the people all of the time and fool all of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time.

Thats not true of our democratic system. I just hope that they cannot fool 50% +1 of the people all of the time.

Theresa May began getting into a pickle when she called a snap election while riding high in the polls.  Theresa May ran a terrible election campaign.  Losing the Tory majority in a parliament dominated by Remain MPs wasn't a good position to be in for any Prime Minister to implement the democratic choice of Brexit.  Theresa May and her team didn't carry out the Brexit negotiations well and put the EU in a strong position by agreeing to the "Backstop" early in the negotiations.  Brexit isn't a mistake but the implementation was made impossible by the rogue parliament and rogue speaker who had no intentions of respecting the democratic choice the British people made.  When Boris became Prime Minister he also found implementing Brexit to be impossible in the rogue parliament with the rogue speaker which is why he wanted a general election to resolve the situation.  The Labour party were against having a general election which delayed that happening until December 2019.  It was only after the 2019 general election that delivered an eighty seat Tory majority that it was possible to implement Brexit because the rogue parliament and the rogue speaker had been removed. 

 

Just for completeness, you need 50% + 1 of the electorate to win a referendum such as the EU referendum but don't need that number to win a general election.  

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On 06/11/2021 at 20:18, Mister M said:

You see, the conversation was being elevated by a discussion of 'compassionate Conservatism' and the supporters of the Conservative government drag it down by lusting after a minister. 

We know that Dorries isn't very bright, but I wouldn't imagine she'd be happy if people were treating her as nothing more than a hole.

So much for 'compassionate Conservatism'  :roll:

She's not the only politicion being admired for sex appeal!

 

https://www.huffpost.com/archive/ca/entry/the-real-reason-women-are-gaga-over-trudeau_b_8362144

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3 minutes ago, West 77 said:

 

Just for completeness, you need 50% + 1 of the electorate to win a referendum such as the EU referendum but don't need that number to win a general election.  

Just what was the "democratic choice the British people made"?

We were sold a pig in a poke and Brexit meant as many different things as there were voters. Many chose to vote for an extra £93  million for the NHS. Many chose to vote to stop people coming across the channel in small boats.  As a result the Government were able to select the type of Brixit that suited them. We are now paying the penalty for that selection. 

 

I don't want to be pedantic but seeing as you started it..........

Just for completeness you need 50%+1 , of the people who vote, to win a binary referendum. ;0)

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12 minutes ago, Flanker7 said:

Just what was the "democratic choice the British people made"?

We were sold a pig in a poke and Brexit meant as many different things as there were voters. Many chose to vote for an extra £93  million for the NHS. Many chose to vote to stop people coming across the channel in small boats.  As a result the Government were able to select the type of Brixit that suited them. We are now paying the penalty for that selection. 

 

I don't want to be pedantic but seeing as you started it..........

Just for completeness you need 50%+1 , of the people who vote, to win a binary referendum. ;0)

As Greta says "Blah Blah Blah"

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3 hours ago, West 77 said:

Carrying on dreaming.  The truth is the majority of Tory MPs didn't want Boris to ever lead the party until the actions of the rogue parliament.  The truth is under Theresa May the Tory party got into a pickle and wouldn't have won a majority in a general election.  The Tory MPs turned to Boris because they knew he was the man to turn their fortunes around and secure victory in a general election. There is no one waiting in the wings to replace Boris who will preform better for the Tory party in the next general election which is why the party will not remove him.  

I am sure that we share the same dreams.

One being that there will be some evidence that there will be some signs that Brexit has been of nett benefit to the country and that Johnson will gain popularity as a result of his actions rather than relying totally on his undoubted charisma.

 

Edited by RJRB

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2 hours ago, West 77 said:

As Greta says "Blah Blah Blah"

This make me so mad.

 

Details details details, consequences, consequences, consequences, blah , blah, blah.

 

Just get Brexit done!  The majority of Brexiteers did't care about how it would be done and what the results would be .  The majority of Brexiteers didn't care about Northern Ireland or Fisheries or any of a whole host of details and consequences. 

 

Just get Brexit done! - It didn't mean anything.

Just a gut reaction to foreigners, to them against us,  to being conservative with a very small 'c'.  Close your eyes and it will be alright in the end. We are already more isolation and have a littler Briton as a result.  

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Flanker7 said:

This make me so mad.

 

Details details details, consequences, consequences, consequences, blah , blah, blah.

 

Just get Brexit done!  The majority of Brexiteers did't care about how it would be done and what the results would be .  The majority of Brexiteers didn't care about Northern Ireland or Fisheries or any of a whole host of details and consequences. 

 

Just get Brexit done! - It didn't mean anything.

Just a gut reaction to foreigners, to them against us,  to being conservative with a very small 'c'.  Close your eyes and it will be alright in the end. We are already more isolation and have a littler Briton as a result.  

Do you expect any different from supporters of the current Vote Leave government?

 

Remember that they’re neither conservatives, nor Conservatives. They’re UKIPers, still in thrall to populist personalities rather than policies in the national interest.

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39 minutes ago, L00b said:

Do you expect any different from supporters of the current Vote Leave government?

 

Remember that they’re neither conservatives, nor Conservatives. They’re UKIPers, still in thrall to populist personalities rather than policies in the national interest.

Good point. Which is why you'll never get a cogent, intelligent discussion from them about the consequences of their decision, because it's all based on prejudices and harking back to the past.

 

Edited by Mister M

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