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The Conservative Party - Part Two.

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15 hours ago, Mister M said:

Having elite schooling and being highly educated doesn't mean that the people are any more intelligent than anyone else.

It does, it really does. 

 

 

 

15 hours ago, Mister M said:

With regards to the running of the country, just look at the mess we're in now, much of it self inflicted.

Indeed. The comprehensive school system has a lot to answer for. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Tony said:

 

It does, it really does. 

 

You are confusing education with intelligence. My daughter was seen as intelligent(gifted) when she was 6/7 years old and at junior school.

She would still be intelligent, whether she went to uni or not. When they study A levels and then specialise in one subjust at university, that can mean that they have no knowledge of other things and lack what some people would call 'common sense'.

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@ElCid I'm confusing nothing. You're confusing different types of intelligence as just one type of intelligence. I know some very academically gifted people who I wouldn't trust to run a bath. Your methodology assumes that intelligence is an merely an innate characteristic that can't help but flourish, rather than a learned trait that requires as you quite rightly point out, education. 

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I think what I'm trying to say, and perhaps we will agree, that education and the quality thereof, is a cornerstone of intelligence as it's expressed in the real world. 

 

I hope that your daughter continued to have the education opportunities that her obvious intelligence deserved and perhaps you'll do yourself the small credit that you contributed to her ability through your early parenting, ie educating.

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12 minutes ago, Tony said:

@ElCid I'm confusing nothing. You're confusing different types of intelligence as just one type of intelligence. I know some very academically gifted people who I wouldn't trust to run a bath. Your methodology assumes that intelligence is an merely an innate characteristic that can't help but flourish, rather than a learned trait that requires as you quite rightly point out, education. 

Wouldn't it be lovely if all education and opportunity were equal and not dependent on money. 

And careers didn't hang on what school you put down on your CV and how you were perceived? 

 

Judging by the numpties we have in government at the moment going to a good school is no guarantee of intelligence, but it does engender a strong sense of entitlement and self serving confidence....

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1 minute ago, Anna B said:

Wouldn't it be lovely if all education and opportunity were equal and not dependent on money. 

And careers didn't hang on what school you put down on your CV and how you were perceived? 

Welcome to the real world. 

 

Wondering how long it will take before you realise that you're a one percenter too.

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1 minute ago, Tony said:

Welcome to the real world. 

At least the Labour party tries to address these inequalities, whereas the Tory party just perpetuates them.

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5 minutes ago, Anna B said:

Wouldn't it be lovely if all education and opportunity were equal and not dependent on money. 

And careers didn't hang on what school you put down on your CV and how you were perceived? 

 

Judging by the numpties we have in government at the moment going to a good school is no guarantee of intelligence, but it does engender a strong sense of entitlement and self serving confidence....

Education has never been equal and the perception of the better the school the more oportunites has always been prevelant

 

5 minutes ago, Anna B said:

At least the Labour party tries to address these inequalities, whereas the Tory party just perpetuates them.

Really? Over history Labour had many opportunites to end selective education and, in some cases, point blank refused to do it.

You might want to read this

http://www.educationengland.org.uk/articles/31labourgrammar.html

 

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15 hours ago, Mister M said:

Ironic thing is that Caswell doesn't come across as particularly bright - bit of an attention seeker really.

When all else fails, the ad hominem approach is always there to fall back on.  Why debate the topic when you can just take a personal swipe at another poster?

 

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11 hours ago, Anna B said:

I don't know about Rayner, but both John Prescott and Diane Abbott are University graduates, Abbott from Cambridge no less....

 

Do they come over as intelligent, capable people with huge capacity for administration, eloquent debating ability, and the credibility and presence to represent the UK as leaders of their nation? 

Or was one a constant source of embarrassment for Tony Blair, who had to put up with him to keep the unions to heel, and the other possibly the most ridiculous laughing stock to enter the Commons in the last 30 years?

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9 minutes ago, Caswall said:

When all else fails, the ad hominem approach is always there to fall back on.  Why debate the topic when you can just take a personal swipe at another poster?

 

 

2 minutes ago, Caswall said:

Do they come over as intelligent, capable people with huge capacity for administration, eloquent debating ability, and the credibility and presence to represent the UK as leaders of their nation? 

Or was one a constant source of embarrassment for Tony Blair, who had to put up with him to keep the unions to heel, and the other possibly the most ridiculous laughing stock to enter the Commons in the last 30 years?

It takes skill to troll that well.

 

Or a total lack of self-awareness.

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1 hour ago, Anna B said:

Wouldn't it be lovely if all education and opportunity were equal and not dependent on money. 

And careers didn't hang on what school you put down on your CV and how you were perceived? 

While ever you want a free society, there will be freedom of choice for some people to work harder and achieve more than others, and therefore be able to pay for a better education for their families. 

If you want everybody to receive the same in all aspects of life, to be 'equal', you might want to consider which communist nations have best achieved this.

 

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