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10 hours ago, El Cid said:

It could be said that saving the banks was a left leaning policy, but most lefties were not impressed.

They would have wanted the banks nationalising. As they do with the struggling energy companies.

Far from being a 'left leaning' policy, saving the banks was the classic example of neoliberalism in action.  The bankers get the rewards while the taxpayer takes the risks and pays the price - this 'corporate welfarism' is one of the things that distinguish neoliberalism from pure 19th century laissez-faire.

 

People might not have been impressed by the bailout, but I think they saw it as unavoidable under the circumstances.  What they were really unimpressed by was the decades of policy that produced those circumstances.

 

Some of the banks were temporarily nationalised, both here and in the US, but if it had been a 'left leaning policy' they still would be.

 

Meanwhile, back on topic, Will Hutton thought that the Tories were gravitating towards Keynesianism even before the pandemic kicked off [as always, I'll believe it when I see it]:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/14/this-tory-budget-is-keynes-reborn-will-hutton

 

Not that Keynesianism is 'left-leaning' of course.  Keynes himself was very much a capitalist.  His project was above all to stabilize capitalism, not to destroy it.  And to make it work for the majority of people - to that extent he was also a small-s socialist.

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10 hours ago, CaptainSwing said:

Far from being a 'left leaning' policy, saving the banks was the classic example of neoliberalism in action.  The bankers get the rewards while the taxpayer takes the risks and pays the price - this 'corporate welfarism' is one of the things that distinguish neoliberalism from pure 19th century laissez-faire.

 

People might not have been impressed by the bailout, but I think they saw it as unavoidable under the circumstances.  What they were really unimpressed by was the decades of policy that produced those circumstances.

 

Some of the banks were temporarily nationalised, both here and in the US, but if it had been a 'left leaning policy' they still would be.

 

Meanwhile, back on topic, Will Hutton thought that the Tories were gravitating towards Keynesianism even before the pandemic kicked off [as always, I'll believe it when I see it]:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/14/this-tory-budget-is-keynes-reborn-will-hutton

 

Not that Keynesianism is 'left-leaning' of course.  Keynes himself was very much a capitalist.  His project was above all to stabilize capitalism, not to destroy it.  And to make it work for the majority of people - to that extent he was also a small-s socialist.

There are times when I really wish the Forum had the "Like" button switched on, just to make it easy to agree in passing without having to make a song and dance about it. So, while I'm making a song and dance, please have a thumbs up as well. 👍

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Well done Stephen Barclay for not caving in to Kay Burley on Sky News who tried 11 times to get him to apologise for the avoidable covid deaths.

 

I've got three things to say about this:

 

Firstly, most fair minded people know that hindsight is a wonderful thing and  won't  "blame" the government for Covid deaths.

 

Secondly, why don't news outlets such as Sky News stick to reporting news and asking questions, and accept interviewees answers instead of trying to manipulate them into saying they want them to say.

 

And lastly (a cut and paste from Wiki) - In December 2020, Burley admitted to breaching London's tier 2 coronavirus restrictions when celebrating her 60th birthday. Her actions allegedly included meeting up to nine individuals outside of her household, breaking the 11pm curfew, and socialising inside two restaurants and her own home. Burley was later suspended from Sky News until June 2021, and withdrawn from consideration for the Royal Television Society's journalism awards. 

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27 minutes ago, HumbleNarrator said:

Well done Stephen Barclay for not caving in to Kay Burley on Sky News who tried 11 times to get him to apologise for the avoidable covid deaths.

 

I've got three things to say about this:

 

Firstly, most fair minded people know that hindsight is a wonderful thing and  won't  "blame" the government for Covid deaths.

 

Secondly, why don't news outlets such as Sky News stick to reporting news and asking questions, and accept interviewees answers instead of trying to manipulate them into saying they want them to say.

 

And lastly (a cut and paste from Wiki) - In December 2020, Burley admitted to breaching London's tier 2 coronavirus restrictions when celebrating her 60th birthday. Her actions allegedly included meeting up to nine individuals outside of her household, breaking the 11pm curfew, and socialising inside two restaurants and her own home. Burley was later suspended from Sky News until June 2021, and withdrawn from consideration for the Royal Television Society's journalism awards. 

Hindsight my arse, plenty of scientists, commentators and people with eyes and functioning TV set could see what was happening in Italy and we happily carried on with arena concerts and racing festivals.

 

Even the money grabbing premier league thought they should take action before Boris Johnson.

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1 hour ago, HumbleNarrator said:

Firstly, most fair minded people know that hindsight is a wonderful thing and  won't  "blame" the government for Covid deaths.

it was obvious, for weeks, that national action was required.

 

Johnson did nothing (he didn't even go to the meetings).

 

We knew that thousands of vulnerable people were dying in countries that had already been hit -  we had plenty of warning.

 

Johnson did nothing, Cheltenham, Football matches, large concerts, all allowed to go ahead

 

remember last winter? when the kids were sent back to school for one (!) chuffing day, before being sent home again.

 

This Government, Johnson's government, have cocked it up, time and time again. And now they're telling us that there was nothing they could have done better.

 

?!

 

we had  a headstart, of a couple of months, on the vaccines, remember the noise they made about that? but they squandered it, even now we have one of (the?) highest death-rates in Europe, at around 100+ per day. given that we're going into winter, and vaccine efficacy fades over time, should we be surprised to see that daily number rise significantly?

 

but they were very good at handing profitable contracts to their friends.

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1 hour ago, HumbleNarrator said:

Well done Stephen Barclay for not caving in to Kay Burley on Sky News who tried 11 times to get him to apologise for the avoidable covid deaths.

 

I've got three things to say about this:

 

Firstly, most fair minded people know that hindsight is a wonderful thing and  won't  "blame" the government for Covid deaths.

 

Secondly, why don't news outlets such as Sky News stick to reporting news and asking questions, and accept interviewees answers instead of trying to manipulate them into saying they want them to say.

 

And lastly (a cut and paste from Wiki) - In December 2020, Burley admitted to breaching London's tier 2 coronavirus restrictions when celebrating her 60th birthday. Her actions allegedly included meeting up to nine individuals outside of her household, breaking the 11pm curfew, and socialising inside two restaurants and her own home. Burley was later suspended from Sky News until June 2021, and withdrawn from consideration for the Royal Television Society's journalism awards. 

Nice bit of gaslighting and rewriting history.

Expect more of this from the Sun, the Express etc etc.

Next week: Brexit has been an unmitigated success.

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1 hour ago, ads36 said:

it was obvious, for weeks, that national action was required.

 

Johnson did nothing (he didn't even go to the meetings).

 

We knew that thousands of vulnerable people were dying in countries that had already been hit -  we had plenty of warning.

 

Johnson did nothing, Cheltenham, Football matches, large concerts, all allowed to go ahead

 

remember last winter? when the kids were sent back to school for one (!) chuffing day, before being sent home again.

 

This Government, Johnson's government, have cocked it up, time and time again. And now they're telling us that there was nothing they could have done better.

 

?!

 

we had  a headstart, of a couple of months, on the vaccines, remember the noise they made about that? but they squandered it, even now we have one of (the?) highest death-rates in Europe, at around 100+ per day. given that we're going into winter, and vaccine efficacy fades over time, should we be surprised to see that daily number rise significantly?

 

but they were very good at handing profitable contracts to their friends.

Almost reminds me of something..... 🤔

 

 

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3 hours ago, HumbleNarrator said:

Well done Stephen Barclay for not caving in to Kay Burley on Sky News who tried 11 times to get him to apologise for the avoidable covid deaths.

The Government should appolgise for avoidable deaths, if they were unavoidable deaths, that is a different matter.

Its obvious that some countries did things differently, the Welsh Government for instance have COVID passports for large gatherings.

I believe COVID passports will not work and are unnessessary.

Some countries had workable lockdowns, ours was not really enforcable.

 

Politicians do sometimes need to be pushed to say the right thing. There should be an oppology for being a country with a high death rate. Schemes like the 'eat out to help out' made COVID worse by getting people mixing indoors.

 

We all know why our lockdown was late, our leader went on TV and spoke abour herd immunity.

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It doesn't bode well for the Independent Public Inquiry if ministers have their heads stuck in the sand refusing to accept the facts.

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3 hours ago, ads36 said:

This Government, Johnson's government, have cocked it up, time and time again. And now they're telling us that there was nothing they could have done better.

Correct.  Not only was the government complacent, Boris the Clown was actually bragging about shaking the hands of hospital staff and patients just before the inevitable lockdown.

 

And now?  How convenient he's away on a jolly just as this damning report is published.  Coward.

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5 hours ago, HumbleNarrator said:

Well done Stephen Barclay for not caving in to Kay Burley on Sky News who tried 11 times to get him to apologise for the avoidable covid deaths.

 

I've got three things to say about this:

 

Firstly, most fair minded people know that hindsight is a wonderful thing and  won't  "blame" the government for Covid deaths.

 

Secondly, why don't news outlets such as Sky News stick to reporting news and asking questions, and accept interviewees answers instead of trying to manipulate them into saying they want them to say.

 

And lastly (a cut and paste from Wiki) - In December 2020, Burley admitted to breaching London's tier 2 coronavirus restrictions when celebrating her 60th birthday. Her actions allegedly included meeting up to nine individuals outside of her household, breaking the 11pm curfew, and socialising inside two restaurants and her own home. Burley was later suspended from Sky News until June 2021, and withdrawn from consideration for the Royal Television Society's journalism awards. 

Kay Burley is a horrible interviewer , full of her own self importance  , shes right and everyone else is wrong . So happy Sky moved her to the morning spot so I dont have to see/listen to her 

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38 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

Kay Burley is a horrible interviewer , full of her own self importance  , shes right and everyone else is wrong . So happy Sky moved her to the morning spot so I dont have to see/listen to her 

Bet she's devastated to hear that she's not got your attention Hacks.

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