The Conservative Party - Part Two.

[ECCOnoob 1,021]

23 minutes ago, Dromedary said:

So what's the Conservative majority now?

77 or 78 I think. 

Edited December 17, 2021 by ECCOnoob

[steved32 55]

Johnson's comments in response to this crushing defeat are priceless.  Apparently he accepts that the voters are disillusioned after "the litany of stories about politicians..."

 

His relationship with reality continues to be ga-ga.  People are fed up, specifically with him and his cronies...their sense of privilege, entitlement and self-interest.  He has no sense of accountability.  Basically, he's cowardly.

 

Tory leadership contest by April, without doubt.

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Rodger Gale a pigs bladder on a stick has sent a letter of no confirmation on Boris to the men- in-grey- suits

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6 minutes ago, steved32 said:

Johnson's comments in response to this crushing defeat are priceless.  Apparently he accepts that the voters are disillusioned after "the litany of stories about politicians..."

 

His relationship with reality continues to be ga-ga.  People are fed up, specifically with him and his cronies...their sense of privilege, entitlement and self-interest.  He has no sense of accountability.  Basically, he's cowardly.

 

Tory leadership contest by April, without doubt.

As soon as the Tory party work out this lying charlatan won’t win them another election he’s gone. So yeh maybe early next year

[hackey lad 3,955]

9 minutes ago, steved32 said:

Johnson's comments in response to this crushing defeat are priceless.  Apparently he accepts that the voters are disillusioned after "the litany of stories about politicians..."

 

His relationship with reality continues to be ga-ga.  People are fed up, specifically with him and his cronies...their sense of privilege, entitlement and self-interest.  He has no sense of accountability.  Basically, he's cowardly.

 

Tory leadership contest by April, without doubt.

Without a doubt but where will Labour be?

[ECCOnoob 1,021]

It's all well and good people wetting their knickers with excitement over getting rid of Boris Johnson but who exactly do they want him to be replaced by?

 

From reading some of the articles and particularly the overexcited Twitterati, it seems many are blissfully unaware that we don't vote for leader of a party nor do we even vote in our elections for the Prime Minister. We vote for a MP. A single MP who we feel best represents our local constituency. That's it.  That is the only say we ever have.

 

If people really think that getting rid of Boris is going to be some great Victory and collapse of Tory rule over the country, they are going to be very disappointed.

Edited December 17, 2021 by ECCOnoob

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29 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

It's all well and good people wetting their knickers with excitement over getting rid of Boris Johnson but who exactly do they want him to be replaced by?

 

From reading some of the articles and particularly the overexcited Twitterati, it seems many are blissfully unaware that we don't vote for leader of a party nor do we even vote in our elections for the Prime Minister. We vote for a MP. A single MP who we feel best represents our local constituency. That's it.  That is the only say we ever have.

 

If people really think that getting rid of Boris is going to be some great Victory and collapse of Tory rule over the country, they are going to be very disappointed.

A lot of people seem to think that if the PM resigns there should be a general election, that's why they get all excited.

 

Liz Truss has the highest approval ratings of the party, so if Boris stepped down she'd be daft not to stand.

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He repeatedly states that his focus is set on getting on with the job.

I don’t see much evidence much  of that as far as any of his promises have progressed.

Brexit resolution,solving the care and welfare issues,levelling up.

However I don’t see a queue of able Conservative MPs who would wish to take on a massive job at such a difficult time .

Nor do I think that Keir Starmer has shone so far in his opposition role.

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1 hour ago, hackey lad said:

Without a doubt but where will Labour be?

There’s a certain by-election result today, the making up of which tells you that your question, and much Tory whattabouting with Labour and/or Corbyn, is now getting old fast.

 

The electorate is feeling threatened, and adapting. North Shropshire just proved how effective vote-lending can be to neutralise FPTP and put an end to rosette’d donkeys. Expect way more of this by the next GE.

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1 hour ago, ECCOnoob said:

 

If people really think that getting rid of Boris is going to be some great Victory and collapse of Tory rule over the country, they are going to be very disappointed.

Quite. That's why I hinted at their still very big majority.. It will take a very large scythe to cut that down to any reasonable size to allow another party in with or without Boris at the helm.

 

42 minutes ago, L00b said:

The electorate is feeling threatened, and adapting. North Shropshire just proved how effective vote-lending can be to neutralise FPTP and put an end to rosette’d donkeys. Expect way more of this by the next GE.

And just how many by elections do we need in 2 years to achieve that?

Edited December 17, 2021 by Dromedary

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2 hours ago, steved32 said:

Johnson's comments in response to this crushing defeat are priceless.  Apparently he accepts that the voters are disillusioned after "the litany of stories about politicians..."

"the neverending torrent of sleaze about the Evil Tories . . ."

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1 hour ago, ECCOnoob said:

It's all well and good people wetting their knickers with excitement over getting rid of Boris Johnson but who exactly do they want him to be replaced by?

 

From reading some of the articles and particularly the overexcited Twitterati, it seems many are blissfully unaware that we don't vote for leader of a party nor do we even vote in our elections for the Prime Minister. We vote for a MP. A single MP who we feel best represents our local constituency. That's it.  That is the only say we ever have.

 

If people really think that getting rid of Boris is going to be some great Victory and collapse of Tory rule over the country, they are going to be very disappointed.

Taking the 'Boris might be bad but look at how much worse our alternatives are' line isn't doing the Tory Party any favours.

 

Whilst we technically only vote for a constituency MP, the idea voters don't consider the wider parties and their leaders when doing so is nonsense. Or are you going to claim that the only people who ever considered the attributes of Jeremy Corbyn when voting in the last election were the people of North Islington?

 

The people of North Shropshire were very much considering who our PM is and the recent actions of both him and his wider party when they voted yesterday.

 

Nobody thinks getting rid of Boris is going result in the immediate collapse of the current government. They  might hope someone with a bit of competence and integrity would replace him but I fear there is slim chance of that. There are some people in the party who would fit that bill but the current rabid right/IBOCS[1]/sleaze defending/etc factions in control of the party are unlikely to allow it.

 

 

[1] Ideological Brexit Over Common Sense