The Conservative Party - Part Two.

[ECCOnoob 1,050]

56 minutes ago, alchresearch said:

Phil Davies, Tory MP for Shipley. Born in Donny, went to Huddersfield Poly, former customer services manager at an Asda.

Shhhh.  Don't be trying to bring facts into this discussion. It's not what they want to hear......    Don't you understand, all Tories are public school toffs, greedy millionaire ex-bankers who know nothing of the real world....   Anyone who tries to argue against that is all wrong wrong wrong.

[Mister M 1,625]

24 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

Shhhh.  Don't be trying to bring facts into this discussion. It's not what they want to hear......    Don't you understand, all Tories are public school toffs, greedy millionaire ex-bankers who know nothing of the real world....   Anyone who tries to argue against that is all wrong wrong wrong.

I've never characterised them all like that. And to be fair there are plenty of Tory supporters on here, not all, who like to characterise Labour MPs as either champagne swilling socialists, sandal wearing muesli eaters, or envious trade unionists, depending on what or who they're arguing against.

Edited November 10, 2021 by Mister M

[harvey19 541]

18 hours ago, Anna B said:

I agree that politicians should  come from all sectors of society, but do they?

Angela Raynor's background is unusual even in the Labour party, and as far as l know, she has no equivalent in the Tory party.

 

Nadine Doris was a nurse.

[Carbuncle 0]

Apparently, Geoffrey Cox is denying breaking the rules on use of the Parliamentary estate - in this case, his office - for private business on the basis of advice he received from the Conservative whips office. ( https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59233473 )

 

I do hope somebody will inform the learned QC of the principle that ignorance of the law is no defence.

 

Perhaps next time he will consult a reliable source.

[Anna B 1,414]

20 hours ago, tinfoilhat said:

But he's not even an MP now?

Not any more, but he is married to one, and will have friends who are.

At least he's put a foot into the real world to see what it's like. Albeit only for a few weeks.

He found it eye opening, and learned a great deal from those doing the job and those receiving care. But of course MPs usually prefer to get their information from very well paid 'advisors' and 'experts' etc who've probably never even been in a care home much less worked in one.

 

So why not ask the real life experts and save some money...?

 

I'd like to see more MPs follow his example.

[El Cid 220]

1 hour ago, CaptainSwing said:

Yes, quite.  An MP's basic salary is currently £81,932, which is about 3.6 times the median (£22,600 for 2018-19) and puts them at about the 98th percentile of the UK income distribution.  And that's just the distribution of the 32.2 million people who pay income tax (who are presumably on average better off than people who don't - though I guess some of the latter will be well-off people with good accountants).

 

If MPs are living in some parallel universe where 80k is considered to be "low pay", it's not surprising that some of them feel the need to bolster their income via corruption etc.

If there is such a thing as suply and demand, a cleaner(£10k) or such being low pay, a top architect(£200k), company director(£300k) and a footballer on £1,000k; at what rate should an MP get?

MPs need zero qualifications, but its a big step up from being a councillor/Mayor.

2 hours ago, CaptainSwing said:

Yes, quite.  An MP's basic salary is currently £81,932, which is about 3.6 times the median

An MP can claim a vast array of expenses, very few other jobs have that, to my knowledge.

[Longcol 604]

11 hours ago, Mister M said:

Vice chair of the Conservative Party has resigned in protest at having to defend his Government in the wake of sleaze allegations

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/nov/10/tory-party-vice-chair-andrew-bowie-resigns-in-protest-over-sleaze

Iain Duncan Smith under fire for second job where there is a 'brazen' conflict of interest

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/nov/09/iain-duncan-smith-accused-of-brazen-conflict-of-interest-over-25000-job

Boris now saying Mp's who break the rules must be punished.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/nov/10/boris-johnson-mps-should-be-punished-for-breaking-the-rules

 

“I think what you’ve got is cases where, sadly, MPs have broken the rules in the past, may be guilty of breaking the rules today. What I want to see is them facing appropriate sanctions … The most important thing is, those who break the rules must be investigated and should be punished.”

 

Odd how he had a three line whip on the Tories last week to tear up the rules to get Paterson off.

 

 

[ECCOnoob 1,050]

2 hours ago, El Cid said:

If there is such a thing as suply and demand, a cleaner(£10k) or such being low pay, a top architect(£200k), company director(£300k) and a footballer on £1,000k; at what rate should an MP get?

MPs need zero qualifications, but its a big step up from being a councillor/Mayor.

An MP can claim a vast array of expenses, very few other jobs have that, to my knowledge.

I will suggest quite a lot of jobs have that particularly ones involving multiple locations, travel, supplies and staffing.   Just because MPs get a large salary you don't expect them to seriously pay for their own constituency offices, supplies, support staff, travel, accommodation expenses out of their own pocket.

 

Of course they get a vast amount of expenses because they incur a vast amount of costs.

 

Whether such costs should be completely stripped down is a another debate entirely but let's get real here. I don't go into my office everyday and get a deduction out my paycheck for the rates and rent and lighting. I don't do business travel around to different cities then expect to cop the bill for my own travel and accommodation.

 

MPs are not self-employed.

Edited November 10, 2021 by ECCOnoob

[Mister M 1,625]

9 minutes ago, Longcol said:

Boris now saying Mp's who break the rules must be punished.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/nov/10/boris-johnson-mps-should-be-punished-for-breaking-the-rules

 

“I think what you’ve got is cases where, sadly, MPs have broken the rules in the past, may be guilty of breaking the rules today. What I want to see is them facing appropriate sanctions … The most important thing is, those who break the rules must be investigated and should be punished.”

 

Odd how he had a three line whip on the Tories last week to tear up the rules to get Paterson off.

 

 

I think he's hoping his voters will have forgotten about that. And forgotten about how in spite of her breaking the Ministerial Code, he ignored the advice of his senior adviser and chose to keep Priti Patel her in her job.

 

[hackey lad 3,980]

3 hours ago, Anna B said:

Not any more, but he is married to one, and will have friends who are.

At least he's put a foot into the real world to see what it's like. Albeit only for a few weeks.

He found it eye opening, and learned a great deal from those doing the job and those receiving care. But of course MPs usually prefer to get their information from very well paid 'advisors' and 'experts' etc who've probably never even been in a care home much less worked in one.

 

So why not ask the real life experts and save some money...?

 

I'd like to see more MPs follow his example.

Hes put his foot in the real world , for nothing other than trying to further a tv career 

[Anna B 1,414]

4 hours ago, hackey lad said:

Hes put his foot in the real world , for nothing other than trying to further a tv career 

Maybe, but it was still a useful exercise and drew attention to a bad situation.

[Mister M 1,625]

8 hours ago, hackey lad said:

Hes put his foot in the real world , for nothing other than trying to further a tv career 

As has Michael Portillio. Which is okay because his series on railway journeys is usually very good