The Conservative Party - Part Two.

[altus 534]

35 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

There seems to be a completely no-win situation here. If they bring in a suit to be the qualified manager with all the relevant degrees who knows how to run a department and team of staff efficiently and knows how to manage all the administration competently - they get slagged off for having no real-world experience and the staff resent them because they claim they know how to run things better than the manager.

 

If an ex skilled nurse jumps onto the management ladder they get slagged off for just wanting to work their way up the greasy pole and staff resentment is caused because a former "down to earth, shop floor" colleague is suddenly telling their friends what to do when to do it. Then we have the other tricky situation of whether someone working up from the shop floor has the sufficient academics and qualifications to know competently how to manage a team of staff and the administration.

 

Seems no matter what way they do it, staff never seem to be happy.

In my experience (in IT), problems with managers 'not knowing the job' only occur when those managers start making technical decisions (think setting clinical priorities in health care). Some of the best managers I've had haven't been subject matter experts but have listened to and trusted the advice from those who are when making decisions. The worst have been those who make technical decisions against the advice of their staff. Formerly technical people who moved into management can often be worse because, as well as not being suited to management in general, they make decisions, against advice, based on their out of date experience.

 

If you're a senior nurse specialising in echo cardiograms you are more valuable to the organisation than the person who asks you to do a bit of overtime because a colleague has asked for Wednesday afternoon off to take their kid to the dentist. The same applies with senior IT roles and numerous other jobs in numerous other workplaces. Someone straight out of university with a management degree isn't inherently worth more than someone just out of university with a nursing/IT/engineering/etc degree and they certainly aren't worth more than someone with a couple of decades experience in a technical role.

 

It's an endemic problem throughout UK workplaces that employ technical people - the assumption that people who manage necessarily have to be paid more than the people they manage. If your only career path for technical people is into management you will inevitable end up with fewer technical people and more bad managers. It is hugely damaging to UK organisations/companies and negatively impacts the economy.

[whiteowl 54]

A couple of papers are running the story that the Johnsons broke the lockdown rules last Christmas. One rule for us and one rule for them?

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/carrie-johnson-broke-lockdown-friend-25235587

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10097383/Row-allegations-Boris-Carrie-Johnson-broke-Covid-lockdown-rules-Christmas.html

[El Cid 212]

32 minutes ago, whiteowl said:

A couple of papers are running the story that the Johnsons broke the lockdown rules last Christmas. One rule for us and one rule for them?

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/carrie-johnson-broke-lockdown-friend-25235587

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10097383/Row-allegations-Boris-Carrie-Johnson-broke-Covid-lockdown-rules-Christmas.html

Should someone with a job as important as the Prime Minister follow the same rules as Joe Public?

Everything the PM does, could be seen as work?

[altus 534]

33 minutes ago, El Cid said:

Should someone with a job as important as the Prime Minister follow the same rules as Joe Public?

Everything the PM does, could be seen as work?

Politicians, the PM in particular, are supposed to set good examples. You can't expect people to follow government instructions if those in power don't.

[alchresearch 213]

Nothing new from them. Remember his dad going to Greece?

 

Stanley Johnson says Greece visit is essential to 'Covid-proof' villa
Boris Johnson has refused to criticise his father over trip to holiday home during lockdown
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/04/stanley-johnson-says-greece-visit-is-essential-to-covid-proof-villa

[tinfoilhat 11]

1 hour ago, altus said:

Politicians, the PM in particular, are supposed to set good examples. You can't expect people to follow government instructions if those in power don't.

The government are talking about making border force officers immune from prosecution if a boat they ram sinks and people drown. Who Boris had round for turkey sandwiches and mince pies is small beer.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/13/uk-border-force-could-be-given-immunity-over-refugee-deaths

[El Cid 212]

1 hour ago, altus said:

Politicians, the PM in particular, are supposed to set good examples. You can't expect people to follow government instructions if those in power don't.

At least they are no longer subject to the working time directive where they can only work a maximum of 48 hours.

[Guest sibon]

10 hours ago, El Cid said:

At least they are no longer subject to the working time directive where they can only work a maximum of 48 hours.

Johnson has quite a way to go to reach that benchmark.

[HumbleNarrator 286]

Hats off to whoever writes Boris Johnsons speeches; you have to admit they're good. In a speech about Green issues he invoked Gordon Gekko, adapting his catchphrase saying "Green is good!"

[Tony 10]

On 18/10/2021 at 11:11, whiteowl said:

A couple of papers are running the story that the Johnsons broke the lockdown rules last Christmas. One rule for us and one rule for them?

No, there is only one rule, or set of rules and they apply to everyone. The rules are the same for everyone and you make your own choice about following them. Plenty of people didn't and some of those people might be Prime Ministers. This shouldn't be a surprise if a PM bends rules or if a neighbour does, or if you yourself do.  Did you? I did.

[whiteowl 54]

14 hours ago, Tony said:

No, there is only one rule, or set of rules and they apply to everyone. The rules are the same for everyone and you make your own choice about following them. Plenty of people didn't and some of those people might be Prime Ministers. This shouldn't be a surprise if a PM bends rules or if a neighbour does, or if you yourself do.  Did you? I did.

I followed them quite stringently until the Government started breaking them themselves, after that I was a bit more selective over which rules I followed.

 

*edit*

To be fair, it wasn't just the Government, it was a lot of high profile figures including politicians on all sides. However, it was the government that set the rules so when they started not following them, that's when I became more selective.

Edited October 21, 2021 by whiteowl
clarification

[Mister M 1,605]

A senior Tory MP has called for MPs to be allowed to carry guns so they can protect themselves

https://www.unilad.co.uk/news/senior-tory-mp-calls-for-all-mps-to-get-their-own-gun-for-protection/

Wonder which MP this is?

My initial thoughts were Mark "I've got a big penis" Francois; but then reports emphasised that it is a senior Tory MP. So that rules little Mark out.

I reckon it's Peter Bone.