The Conservative Party - Part Two.

[Guest sibon]

9 minutes ago, Caswall said:

When all else fails, the ad hominem approach is always there to fall back on.  Why debate the topic when you can just take a personal swipe at another poster?

 

 

2 minutes ago, Caswall said:

Do they come over as intelligent, capable people with huge capacity for administration, eloquent debating ability, and the credibility and presence to represent the UK as leaders of their nation? 

Or was one a constant source of embarrassment for Tony Blair, who had to put up with him to keep the unions to heel, and the other possibly the most ridiculous laughing stock to enter the Commons in the last 30 years?

It takes skill to troll that well.

 

Or a total lack of self-awareness.

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[Caswall 7]

1 hour ago, Anna B said:

Wouldn't it be lovely if all education and opportunity were equal and not dependent on money. 

And careers didn't hang on what school you put down on your CV and how you were perceived? 

While ever you want a free society, there will be freedom of choice for some people to work harder and achieve more than others, and therefore be able to pay for a better education for their families. 

If you want everybody to receive the same in all aspects of life, to be 'equal', you might want to consider which communist nations have best achieved this.

 

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[alchresearch 213]

1 hour ago, Anna B said:

At least the Labour party tries to address these inequalities, whereas the Tory party just perpetuates them.

Yep, old Labour and their "private schools are bad, but we'll send our kids to them anyway"

[Guest sibon]

5 minutes ago, Caswall said:

So you think criticizing a public figure is the same as making personal swipes at a poster in debate? 

 

Ah.

 

Now I understand. You were criticising. 
 

Mister M was making personal swipes.

 

Silly me.

[Caswall 7]

Good that one of us is learning.

 

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[Guest sibon]

9 minutes ago, Caswall said:

Good that one of us is learning.

 

Let’s hope so.

[Tony 10]

5 hours ago, Anna B said:

At least the Labour party tries to address these inequalities, whereas the Tory party just perpetuates them.

Then tell us how the Labour Party has differentiated itself in how it has tried to address education inequalities, apart from dragging everyone who can't afford a private education down the the level of comprehensive schools. If we're on topic, you can also explain how the Conservatives haven't by comparison.

 

The last I noticed, the Conservatives were handing out A* qualifications to kids without them having to go to the trouble of exams, coursework, or even the inconvenience of doing lessons. 

 

Looking forward to this one.  

[El Cid 212]

23 minutes ago, Tony said:

Then tell us how the Labour Party has differentiated itself in how it has tried to address education inequalities, apart from dragging everyone who can't afford a private education down the the level of comprehensive schools. If we're on topic, you can also explain how the Conservatives haven't by comparison.

 

Looking forward to this one.  

The Sure Start children's centres programme, introduced in 1999 by the last Labour government, has had its spending cut by two-thirds since 2010 and more than 500 centres have officially been closed.

[RJRB 684]

I am getting extremely tired of the “High Skills,High Wage” mantra.

All jobs require some skills from carers ,fork lift drivers,etc etc to rocket scientists and brain surgeons.

Not all skills translate to high earnings.

It’s just empty rhetoric 

We have spent decades encouraging kids into further education and have a surfeit of graduates and a shortage of drivers ,nurses,carers and tradesmen.

Short term government thinking is led by the short term political ambition

[alchresearch 213]

19 hours ago, El Cid said:

The Sure Start children's centres programme, introduced in 1999 by the last Labour government, has had its spending cut by two-thirds since 2010 and more than 500 centres have officially been closed.

It would have been interesting to know what would have happened if Labour had won in 2010.

 

Alistair Darling: we will cut deeper than Margaret Thatcher
Thinktank warns of 'two parliaments of pain' with spending slashed by 25% to repair black hole in finances

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/mar/25/alistair-darling-cut-deeper-margaret-thatcher

[the_bloke 17]

56 minutes ago, RJRB said:

I am getting extremely tired of the “High Skills,High Wage” mantra.

All jobs require some skills from carers ,fork lift drivers,etc etc to rocket scientists and brain surgeons.

Not all skills translate to high earnings.

It’s just empty rhetoric 

We have spent decades encouraging kids into further education and have a surfeit of graduates and a shortage of drivers ,nurses,carers and tradesmen.

Short term government thinking is led by the short term political ambition

It's like the idea of getting every school leaver to go to university to study watered down courses after scraping an E in a single A level hasn't worked well in the long run isn't it.

[Carbuncle 0]

1 hour ago, RJRB said:

I am getting extremely tired of the “High Skills,High Wage” mantra.

The "high skill, high wage" is particularly dishonest in the context of Brexit where the main effect, at least in the short term, is "same or lower skill, high wage" because Brexit has created a shortage in particular areas where none existed before.