The Conservative Party - Part Two.

[alchresearch 214]

11 hours ago, Anna B said:

I keep on repeating this.... We must get the super rich like Bezos, Musk and assorted characters that lie under the radar to pay their fair share of tax. They wouldn't even miss it. A wealth tax of 0.5% on people with more than £20 million in the bank would solve our financial problems at a stroke, and they'd still have plenty left for a new yacht or two.  

 

Didn't realise Bezos and Musk lived in the UK.

 

 

[Guest sibon]

In a crowded field, Gavin Williamson makes a play to become the most incompetent member of Johnson’s cabinet:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/08/gavin-williamson-apparently-confuses-marcus-rashford-and-maro-itoje?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

Sterling work, Gavin. 

[Anna B 1,401]

8 hours ago, alchresearch said:

Didn't realise Bezos and Musk lived in the UK.

 

 

Amazon operates here. There are enormous warehouses all over the place. That must make him liable for tax here.

[ECCOnoob 1,020]

31 minutes ago, Anna B said:

Amazon operates here. There are enormous warehouses all over the place. That must make him liable for tax here.

No.  It makes the business liable for tax here. You talk as if the global corporation of Amazon is his own private business as a sole trader. It is ridiculous.

 

Amazon are liable and have paid taxes here. A sum of over £18 million corporation tax alone.  Add on all other taxes and its reported to be over £492 million.

 

But of course there are plenty of those screaming it's never enough.   Plenty of those demanding that somehow they should be morally blackmailed into paying more than the law dictates, just like the rest of us don't.

Edited September 8, 2021 by ECCOnoob

[hackey lad 3,949]

22 hours ago, sibon said:

Your keyboard is borked. 
 

Take a look at the “a” key, it seems to be typing “i” 

 

Similarly, one of your “k” keys is typing “n”. This bit seems to be an intermittent fault.

Great comment , hilarious really . It could also describe anyone in your beloved party 

[Guest sibon]

57 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

Great comment 

Thanks

[Anna B 1,401]

On 07/09/2021 at 23:20, altus said:

Corbyn lied about that train leaving London being full when there were plenty of seats free. He might not lie as much as Johnson but he's certainly capable of it.

Oh, please...   That little bit of propaganda was scuppered long ago. The empty seats were reserved and they proved it.

If that's the best you can do to accuse Corbyn of dishonesty compared with the whoppers Boris tells then bring it on.

 

Incidently Corbyn is still has a massive following, and is very active in trying to right wrongs. At the moment he's raising support for a National Care Service, to reform a broken/corrupt system. He disagrees with the tax increases/national insurance hikes, saying it's wrong to tax the poorest in society, instead there should be a wealth tax on the super rich, those with assets over £5million.

[nightrider 13]

On 08/09/2021 at 01:50, Anna B said:

I keep on repeating this.... We must get the super rich like Bezos, Musk and assorted characters that lie under the radar to pay their fair share of tax. They wouldn't even miss it. A wealth tax of 0.5% on people with more than £20 million in the bank would solve our financial problems at a stroke, and they'd still have plenty left for a new yacht or two.  

 

Other countries seem able to do it, why can't we?

 

neither Bezos nor Musk are UK residents. How exactly could we tax their personal wealth? The US would not take kindly to any attempt to tax US residents.

[Anna B 1,401]

28 minutes ago, nightrider said:

neither Bezos nor Musk are UK residents. How exactly could we tax their personal wealth? The US would not take kindly to any attempt to tax US residents.

Tax their businesses then! And stop them wriggling out of loopholes to avoid tax.

The reason they have accumulated such vast wealth is down to their manipulation of the tax systems so they pay very little compared to their vast profits.

We live in a global society, is it past the wit of man to act together to stop this anomaly, to everyone's advantage?

[alchresearch 214]

1 hour ago, Anna B said:

Oh, please...   That little bit of propaganda was scuppered long ago. The empty seats were reserved and they proved it.

If that's the best you can do to accuse Corbyn of dishonesty compared with the whoppers Boris tells then bring it on.

 

And it was also proven there were empty and available seats Corbyn walked past.

 

When questioned by journalists at the height of the row last year, the Labour leader said he had been looking for two empty seats together so he could sit with his wife.

 

Note how his wife isn't sat on the floor with him. Funny how they were desperate to sit together at one point and not another.

 

And lets not forget the whole debacle was filmed by pro-Corbyn filmmaker Yannis Mendez.

 

But, hey "Labour leader doesn't reserve a train seat, unable to sit next to his wife" isn't really as newsworthy is it?

Edited September 9, 2021 by alchresearch

[RollingJ 1,999]

38 minutes ago, alchresearch said:

And it was also proven there were empty and available seats Corbyn walked past.

 

When questioned by journalists at the height of the row last year, the Labour leader said he had been looking for two empty seats together so he could sit with his wife.

 

Note how his wife isn't sat on the floor with him. Funny how they were desperate to sit together at one point and not another.

 

And lets not forget the whole debacle was filmed by pro-Corbyn filmmaker Yannis Mendez.

 

But, hey "Labour leader doesn't reserve a train seat, unable to sit next to his wife" isn't really as newsworthy is it?

It always amazed me that an Mp - whose diary is usually fairly full - if he/she is any good - hadn't already planned the trip and reserved seats - I know insignificant little me does for any longer distance trips where the option is available and I plan early enough.

[ECCOnoob 1,020]

1 hour ago, Anna B said:

Tax their businesses then! And stop them wriggling out of loopholes to avoid tax.

The reason they have accumulated such vast wealth is down to their manipulation of the tax systems so they pay very little compared to their vast profits.

We live in a global society, is it past the wit of man to act together to stop this anomaly, to everyone's advantage?

They are taxed.   It has been explained multiple times.

 

You're deluded fantasy of some global utopia where all are equal and there is no competition and no advantages and no dominance it's quite frankly child dreams.

 

It's business. In fact it's what all of us do all the time. We all take advantage of tax incentives, cheap labour, cheap deals, cheap products, savings schemes, charity donations, lotteries, gambling, employee benefits, carbon offset, home insulation and solar schemes, electric vehicle incentives, just a handful of the ways we all are at it.  All jumping at the chance to reduce our liabilities to the taxman.  Not a single one of us have a problem with exploiting the resources, materials, labour nor location if it means we can obtain service, goods or commodity for a reduced impact on our personal outlay.  

 

The amount of monies may be vastly different but the principles are still exactly the same between Joe Bloggs on the streets and the corporation of Amazon.

 

These corporations became successful by being good businesses. The billionaire's became that way because they are good businessman. No matter how much you try and propose it nobody is going to be morally blackmailed into paying more than the law requires them to do so.  

 

No global nation is going to give up there chance of dominance by conforming to some universal, all equal, shared, flat rate circumstance.   This is even more more prevalent in the  developing Nations, where after years in the shadows, they are now rising an emerging as dominant powers of their own with some even starting to take over the established West. Do you think for one second they are going to give up such position after all these years and effort.

 

Wealth is power. Money does make the world go around. Some people need to wake up and realise that.