The Conservative Party - Part Two.

[Longcol 592]

16 minutes ago, apelike said:

I don't read press reports as I don't read newspapers. In the main I only read the BBC news page or the press reports and stuff that is normally linked by posters on SF, unless its from twitter or its ilk. 

So you do read press reports.

[RJRB 682]

6 hours ago, West 77 said:

Everyone I discuss politics with are very happy with Boris and how he has dealt with Brexit and the pandemic.  However regarding the  economic migrant crisis caused by both the EU and France the consensus is Boris and his team need to act tougher and stop taking nonsense especially from France.

I assume that you only refer to the economic migrant crisis from a U.K. perspective.

How is this caused by the EU and France in particular.

There are far more applications for asylum in EU countries than for the U.K.Germany alone has x 3.

We are at the tail end of migrant movement both legal and illegal.

France cannot police all their coastline anymore than Patel can patrol our territorial waters.

And as for Johnson,he is patently not universally admired as you would suggest.

[apelike 10]

2 hours ago, RJRB said:

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And as for Johnson,he is patently not universally admired as you would suggest.

I don't think anyone was suggesting Johnson is universally admired as that is stretching it by a mile or so....

[Magilla 510]

1 hour ago, West 77 said:

The truth is if the French authorities had done their job correctly in the first place or even started to do their job correctly recently then the problem wouldn't have escalated to the extent it is today.

... or, alternatively, that escalation might be because migrants now know they can't be sent back to the first safe country from the UK any more, since that is an EU construct.

 

1 hour ago, West 77 said:

Regarding asylum applications the rules used to be to apply for asylum is the first safe country which clearly isn't happening regarding the economic migrants setting off on boats from France.

"First safe country" is EU law.

 

You explicitly voted to reject those rules!

 

[Annie Bynnol 610]

1 hour ago, West 77 said:

The EU are responsible for the Schengen agreement which makes it far too easy for these economic migrants to make their way to the French coast.  The French know which part of their coastline these economic migrants are setting off from in order to reach England. The French are effectively running a protection racket by demanding and taking such large sums of money from the Tory government and doing next to nothing in return. The Tory government have been mugs on this issue because all what happens is the French keep asking for more money claiming they need more police to stop the migrants because there are more migrants to stop each year. The truth is if the French authorities had done their job correctly in the first place or even started to do their job correctly recently then the problem wouldn't have escalated to the extent it is today.

 

Regarding asylum applications the rules used to be to apply for asylum is the first safe country which clearly isn't happening regarding the economic migrants setting off on boats from France.  The UK have never signed up to the Schengen agreement unlike countries like Germany and those who signed the Schengen agreement should be prepared to take in high numbers of asylum applications as a consequence.  Over the decades since the end of the second World War the UK have taken in large numbers of people from Pakistan, India, Uganda and of course the West Indies due to being the head of the commonwealth. The truth is history shows that the UK have done more than their fair share over the decades to accommodate migrants from foreign lands and the EU need to abolish the Schengen agreement in order to start eradicating the economic migrant problem.

Schengen is an agreement between countries, not a EU directive so cannot be "abolished".

Countries outside the EU who wish to have a full trade agreement with the EU sign up to Schengen.

We could have left the EU with a full trade agreement- but we would have had to sign up to Schengen and that is why we will not have a full agreement because of the irony of Brexit allowing the potential of even more immigrants.

India and most other countries that we seek substantial trade agreements with insist on the free movement of their workforce and have the upper hand in any negotiation and that is why we will not have a full agreement because of the irony of Brexit allowing the potential of even more immigrants.

 

What a mess this is.

 

Your potted history of post war UK immigration is wrong as immigration numbers and population increase (Uganda excepted)has more to do with a shortage of labour and the unresolved status of Irish residents .

If you remember a British passport has come in many varieties with right(or not) of residence changing as the Empire collapsed.

Whatever the Commonwealth was, nobody in the World cares except for the free dinners, photo opportunities and handshakes.

[Magilla 510]

26 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Absolute cobblers and fake news.

Nope, it's absolutely true!

 

The ability to return refugee's to the first safe country falls under the Dublin Regulation... EU law

 

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It was the Geneva Convention who wrote the rule book.

https://fullfact.org/immigration/refugees-first-safe-country/

"Under the Geneva Convention refugees should seek refuge in the first safe country they come to."

 

Incorrect!

 

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At one time it was a principle of international  law that a refugee sought asylum in the first safe country they entered.

There is no requirement under international law for anyone claiming asylum to do so in the first safe country.

 

A view consistently upheld in UK courts.

 

They are also protected from prosecution for illegal entry!

 

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Those people making the illegal crossing from France are economic migrants and not refugees anyway.

They can still claim asylum, might not succeed, but they can't  be sent back to their first safe country anymore.

 

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The UK Government need to make new or change existing domestic laws in order to send many of these economic migrants back to France or their real homeland much quicker. 

As before, you voted to take the UK out of the legislation that would have allowed any return to France.

Edited July 26, 2021 by Magilla

[El Cid 210]

16 minutes ago, Magilla said:

There is no requirement under international law for anyone claiming asylum to do so in the first safe country.

 

A view consistently upheld in UK courts.

They enter the country and then they wont tell the truth if it means that they could be sent home.

People fleeing war torn countries that we sell arms to, have a very good chance of being granted asylum.

The majority of immigrants go on to be productive citizens, which is why Germany and other countries with high immigration are ahead of the UK when it comes to economic growth.

[The Joker 10]

9 hours ago, West 77 said:

The French know which part of their coastline these economic migrants are setting off from in order to reach England. The French are effectively running a protection racket by demanding and taking such large sums of money from the Tory government and doing next to nothing in return. The Tory government have been mugs on this issue because all what happens is the French keep asking for more money claiming they need more police to stop the migrants because there are more migrants to stop each year. The truth is if the French authorities had done their job correctly in the first place or even started to do their job correctly recently then the problem wouldn't have escalated to the extent it is today.

Look on the bright side.

 

We used to pay French farmers £billions a year to do nowt.

 

Now we only pay them £millions a year to do nowt.

 

[Longcol 592]

4 hours ago, The Joker said:

Look on the bright side.

 

We used to pay French farmers £billions a year to do nowt.

 

Now we only pay them £millions a year to do nowt.

 

Wish some of them near me would do nowt instead of spraying their fields with slurry 

[Delayed 461]

11 minutes ago, Yawn367 said:

Imagine if a small handful of ridiculously wealthy, powerful, psychopaths could make you believe  anything they wanted by simply controlling what they put on TV……

 

 

 

Imagine being so angry at a significant proportion of the population that you are prepared to call them all stupid for not thinking the same as you. 

[The Joker 10]

10 minutes ago, Delayed said:

Imagine being so angry at a significant proportion of the population that you are prepared to call them all stupid for not thinking the same as you. 

I wouldn't call anybody stupid who is prepared to vote against their own interests, and support Sir Nige' or Shagger Boris.

 

I'd call them an idiot, or simple-minded, or ignorant, or foolish, but I'd never call them stupid.

 

 

Brexit trade deal leaves Welsh fishermen 'devastated'

Wales' £39m commercial fishing sector will be "devastated" by changes under the Brexit trade deal, fishermen have warned.

 

New rules to replace the EU Common Fisheries Policy mean 76 French and Belgian trawlers can fish within six miles of the Welsh coast until 2026.

 

It means many Welsh fishermen may struggle to survive, the Welsh Fishermen's Association said.

 

The UK government said it protected fishermen's rights.

 

But those working in Wales said they were already struggling with export red tape.

 

Barry Thomas, who voted for Brexit, said Prime Minister Boris Johnson "bottled" the deal "at the last minute", after promising to keep foreign trawlers outside the UK's 12-mile limit.

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56028602

 

 

Edited July 26, 2021 by The Joker

[Delayed 461]

5 minutes ago, Yawn367 said:

I’ll stick up for what’s morally right.

 

And I always will!

Well done you. 

 

Next time when sticking up for what's right, just try and go about it like an adult instead of resorting to childish name calling, it only weakens your position.