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31 minutes ago, apelike said:

Now if you look back at Sheffield under Labour since 1980 you will see that several thousand council properties have been demolished by the council and not replaced. Kelvin flats demolished, Norfolk Park flats, Maisonettes and some vic Hallams demolished. Moorfoot homes demolished and many other around Sheffield. Park Hill flats although not demolished was sold for a nominal sum to Urban Splash and received funding from a number of sources to renovate as it was a listed building and is now a private enterprise. The land that those demolished properties stood on was in most cases given away to encourage private redevelopment. All that happened under a Labour led council and they are still at it, giving away land instead of putting it up for tender in return for a few affordable homes. What do they do now, they blame the Government for the lack of social housing in Sheffield because of the right to buy!

 

 

 

Yes, I agree. Because of the mismanagement of social housing (i.e. dumping loads of people with no jobs and a lot of problems in the same places), social housing has become synonymous with crime infested rat holes, but a lot of it is decent and more importantly it could amount to a sort of national housing service, where everyone can have a decent place to live and some security. Its image problem has allowed it to be something that idiot politicians can neglect, even though we need it now just as much as we did in the 30s and 50s. A sane government would pull the plug on HS2, which is wrecking the countryside so that business people can make expensive train journeys that they've realised during Covid that they don't need to make, and put that money into good, well thought-out social housing - plenty of skilled jobs and apprenticeships. Why don't they?

 

Edit: Right to Buy has been the cause of the biggest loss of SCC properties by far though. 50% have gone to RTB since 1979, amounting to over 40,000 tenancies. Park Hill was 1000 tenancies - that's 40 Park Hills we've lost to RTB, and loads are now in the hands of private landlords who charge more than SCC do for worse properties and less security of tenure.

21 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

Scowerdons  estate , hundreds of houses demolished .  A few new ones built . Now masses of open land ready to sell to private developers .

Was there a net loss on Scowerdens, Weaklands and Newstead? Of the demolish and rebuild jobs it was probably the best one SCC did - the old properties were no longer suitable and the new ones are good, and the landlord (Home Group) are better at managing them than SCC are at managing theirs.

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7 minutes ago, Delbow said:

Yes, I agree. Because of the mismanagement of social housing (i.e. dumping loads of people with no jobs and a lot of problems in the same places), social housing has become synonymous with crime infested rat holes, but a lot of it is decent and more importantly it could amount to a sort of national housing service, where everyone can have a decent place to live and some security. Its image problem has allowed it to be something that idiot politicians can neglect, even though we need it now just as much as we did in the 30s and 50s. A sane government would pull the plug on HS2, which is wrecking the countryside so that business people can make expensive train journeys that they've realised during Covid that they don't need to make, and put that money into good, well thought-out social housing - plenty of skilled jobs and apprenticeships. Why don't they?

 

Edit: Right to Buy has been the cause of the biggest loss of SCC properties by far though. 50% have gone to RTB since 1979, amounting to over 40,000 tenancies. Park Hill was 1000 tenancies - that's 40 Park Hills we've lost to RTB, and loads are now in the hands of private landlords who charge more than SCC do for worse properties and less security of tenure.

Was there a net loss on Scowerdens, Weaklands and Newstead? Of the demolish and rebuild jobs it was probably the best one SCC did - the old properties were no longer suitable and the new ones are good, and the landlord (Home Group) are better at managing them than SCC are at managing theirs.

The few new ones are decent . Look at the empty ground around  Scowerdons 

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2 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

The few new ones are decent . Look at the empty ground around  Scowerdons 

It doesn't necessarily tell you much - it's about the number of housing units and the people it can house, not the density. You can actually demolish a tower block and get almost the same number of units in conventional houses on streets in the same area, once you take into account the large amounts of open ground that usually surround tower blocks.

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Were not talking about tower blocks . Hundreds of houses demolished . Few new  ones built . Still  acres of land  free  . 

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29 minutes ago, Delbow said:

Yes, I agree. Because of the mismanagement of social housing (i.e. dumping loads of people with no jobs and a lot of problems in the same places), social housing has become synonymous with crime infested rat holes, but a lot of it is decent and more importantly it could amount to a sort of national housing service, where everyone can have a decent place to live and some security. Its image problem has allowed it to be something that idiot politicians can neglect, even though we need it now just as much as we did in the 30s and 50s. A sane government would pull the plug on HS2, which is wrecking the countryside so that business people can make expensive train journeys that they've realised during Covid that they don't need to make, and put that money into good, well thought-out social housing - plenty of skilled jobs and apprenticeships. Why don't they?

For what it's worth I agree that the plug should be pulled on HS2 and come to that Trident as well, but heyho..

 

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Edit: Right to Buy has been the cause of the biggest loss of SCC properties by far though. 50% have gone to RTB since 1979, amounting to over 40,000 tenancies. Park Hill was 1000 tenancies - that's 40 Park Hills we've lost to RTB, and loads are now in the hands of private landlords who charge more than SCC do for worse properties and less security of tenure.

Many may have now been "lost" to social housing but not all are in the hands of private landlords. I noticed a Star article from 2020 that stated 32,000 had been lost and that there is around 40,000 left.What would be interesting is knowing just how many people who bought under the right to buy did so with the view to renting the property out and how many kept living in them. I know many who bought their property under the RTB and are still actively living in the same property so basically that alters nothing as far as social housing is concerned. Its not as simple as saying because they are out of the chain it causes problems.

 

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4 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

I've just seen this.

 

BBC News - Downing Street scraps plans for White House-style press briefings
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56818750

 

So, a few months and £2.6m later, its all mothballed. And chris witty never got his own clicker for changing slides!

Perhaps due to a change in Presidents so that White House press briefings will now contain rather more truth than during the Trump regime. Not sure Boris will be too keen on that.

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6 minutes ago, Longcol said:

Perhaps due to a change in Presidents so that White House press briefings will now contain rather more truth than during the Trump regime. Not sure Boris will be too keen on that.

Maybe he wants it remodelled into a big fridge, he likes hiding in those.

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12 minutes ago, Delbow said:

Maybe he wants it remodelled into a big fridge, he likes hiding in those.

It might be because just about everybody at the covid conferences has looked taller, less hunched, better dressed and less shifty than Johnson.

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44 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

I've just seen this.

 

BBC News - Downing Street scraps plans for White House-style press briefings
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56818750

 

So, a few months and £2.6m later, its all mothballed. And chris witty never got his own clicker for changing slides!

But at least it's a comfy place for Johnson to shag his latest bit of 'totty'

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8 hours ago, Longcol said:

It might be because just about everybody at the covid conferences has looked taller, less hunched, better dressed and less shifty than Johnson.

I’ve seen Pritti Patel in there.

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